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GregFL:
I was just thinking of something.  I remember while in the seed, if someone 'related' and started analzying something in any way other than how he was expected to think about something, he would be chastised, sometimes severely, for "rationalizing".

Man o man, only in a cult do you get in trouble for using the power of rational thought.





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[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2006-05-02 09:23 ][ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2006-05-02 09:24 ]

Magpie:
I am curious as to what you would prescribe to someone who needed help in getting off drugs?  Is there a solution or should everyone just try and quit on their own--take a chance on it?  I saw a 16 year old girl overdose this weekend at church and I was trying to think of what to do for her.  You seem to be so down on everything out there that has helped a lot of people and in your case hurt a lot of people.  So since this wasn't the solution what would be?

GregFL:
Maggie that is a good question, and I will start by saying I don't have all the answers.

Drug use really isn't a problem, per se (in my opinion).  the system that we were subjected to was based on a reactionary myth, and that was that any drug use was a one way street to death, insanity or jail.  This is just false.  I know adults who have smoked the occasional joint since they were 13, and they are successfull business people with sucessfull families.  Some of these people even snort the occasional line.  Let me say I am not one of them, but I certainly know plenty that fit that mold.

Drug abuse is problematic but usually goes away on its own as people mature and realize that it is causing them more problems than solutions.

Then there is the issue of addiction, which doesn't respond on any statistical level at all to treatment.  Usually those that improve (before anyone snaps I said usually) do so because they were  'ready' and looking for something to focus their energy on, whether it was AA, scientology's treatment program or the seed.  In this instance, the methodology seems to be almost irrelevant.

So my question is right back at you.  If statistically 12 step programs don't work (and they don't), then why should we force people into treatment?  Is it moral to lock a young kid up and subject them to methodology that is untested, considered torture if applied to adult prisoners...just on the odd chance that they may grow up an addict?  Do you believe the seed was sucessfull (statistically, not individually)?

While you are answering, remember all our fallen seed graduates that died of drug overdoses and suicides.  Why didn't it work for them?  Also keep in mind the many many people who have logged on here with their stories of post seed pain and anguish.

Also understand that I support voluntary treatment, as long as full disclosure is made to the person volunteering to treatment the methodology and full contact with the family, as well as full right to change their mind and get up and leave without being tackled to the floor, restrained, denied the right to council  or physcologically coerced.

It is when people are forced into treatment and mislead about the modality and their rights are violated that I take exception.  This is the rule with children, not the exception when we are talking about drug rehabilitation.  If someone walked into a treatment center and said "i Need help, and I don't care that the congress has indicated you use brainwashing methods, please just admit me", well then the seed indeed.  But that wasn't the situation with the vast majority of the many thousands of kids that went thru treatment.

[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2006-05-02 10:18 ]

GregFL:
while we are conversing in this thread Maggie, maybe as a former staff member you can explain why using rational thought was something that could even get you started over.  Why also was deep thought considered a seed crime  and given a special name? (getting into your head).

Is this normal anywhere else in society?  Does this promote or negate individuality or groupthink?  Do other groups we consider cults embrace these same techniques?

Thanks for rationally thinking about it...er I mean "getting into your head" about it.  On second thought, maybe I meant "rationalizing" it.

 :grin:  :grin:








[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2006-05-02 10:22 ]

Ft. Lauderdale:
Are teen's as a whole really that capable of much rational thinking.

I remember when I was 15.  I hitch hiked from Ft. Lauderdale to NY.  I ran away from home.

Upon returning via "Greyhound Bus".  I remember my parents picking my up at the bus station.  It was a very somber time.  My father asked , why I ran away from home. I was sitting by myself in the back seat and felt like I was in a tunnel when he asked.  I answered with the only thought my brain could supply.  "I dunno".  There were reasons thinking back but I couldn't explain them.  I don't think I really knew how to.

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