Ok... there are no consentual programs. They cant work consentually. Do you not know what the definition of COERSION is?
Sorry to rile you up, Niles, but yes the word is ?consensual ? and yes there are programs that take kids without being escorted, they have rules and regulations, so you have to live by their rules, just like anyplace else.
Your "spectrum" is contrived and full of shit.
Its because you don?t understand it, which is okay. Instead of Wikipedia ?Spectrum? Wikipedia ?Normal curve? or ?Distribution?. I think that was your error, its not a color spectrum. It applies to any sets of data, they may be normal or skewed, it isn?t full of crap because it applies to any set that has more than 2 data points, don?t take my word for it look it up. Our data (that we are talking about today) set is Programs, RTC and TBS some call it a spectrum, sorry to confuse you.
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There is no such thing as a "14 month program with no fences" or wahtever, because:
Actual therapy doesnt have a time stipulation, because therapy isnt a sentance or a punishment!
Wrong, my daughter attended one, but lets continue:
14 month program is a time estimate, if you take a cold formula and it says 12 hour relief do you expect the tolerance to be plus or minus 1 minute? Or is it different for each person (I would chose the second one.) My daughter was at the 14 month program for 16 months, some take longer others shorter.
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Actual therapy at a retreat with residential facilities, no coersion, and full open communication, is not a program. It doesnt apply to your spectrum
You can call it what you want, call it a school, no fences, you can leave anytime you want. Again, you don?t understand spectrum, its not ?My? spectrum.
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If such places are good, they dont somehow justify programs
Not sure if we could call them good, but they help kids grow and keep them safe. I am not trying to justify programs, just stating they work and help people.
Your verbal chaff about statistics is all just nonsense
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Programs are way out in left field and most people dont use programs at all anyway.
Depends how you define the field. If the field is defined as ?Residential programs? then TBS?s are probably in the middle of the field. Yes most people do not use programs because they don?t have a need, which is a good thing. I think we both agree.
Most people handle it themselves because they know how to parent, or use outpatient therapy, not coersive behavior modification.
Or better said, outpatient therapy is effective and they don?t need to look any further or use behavior mod.
You cant redefine a program into something its not so you can win an argument
Come on, Nile ,I wish you would stop taking all of this so personal, its not about
us winning or losing an argument. Its about saving the kids !! Why cant you see this? Who cares who wins a stupid argument?
These kids need help and the parents out there need some help to make decisions for them.[ This Message was edited by: TheWho on 2006-05-03 19:14 ][ This Message was edited by: TheWho on 2006-05-03 19:42 ]