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Offline TheWho

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« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2006, 04:54:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-28 13:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-28 13:33:00, TheWho wrote:


"MCR84KAR86, I wish I could articulate as well as you did with my own experiences.  You really did keep your focus on the kids throughout all of that and made the best choices you could given the time and circumstances??.There are many people looking for a single "latin phrase" or "medical condition" (as we speak)  in an attempt to label /discredit you, but your story stands on is own merit/words for others to read.  You have brought balance to fornits, which will make it a more credible site, in my opinion.





Thanks


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Balance?  You have GOT to be kidding?  What's unbalanced is the pro-program websites and parents like the ones posting here who think they deserve some kind of award for raising their kid in a lock down facility or "therapeutic" community.



 :flame: "
By balanced, I mean hearing stories and accounts from the parents point of view, with details.  There are plenty of detailed accounts from the kids but not as many parents.
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« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2006, 04:56:00 PM »
Mcr84kar86
Gee...WOW!
Really sorry about your asshole ex-husband.
Congratulations on your 17th sobriety chip!
Sorry about the upcoming court ordeal, whatever that's about--

But could you answer my PREVIOUS two questions?
What program was your daughter in that you felt helped her?
What's the name of the program that you feel needs to be closed down?
Thanks.
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« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2006, 05:07:00 PM »
Thanks so much for the positive words - it has been two years since I have even let myself think about all this mess and only at my daughter's urging and her even showing me all this "goings on" did I even "talk" to you all.

Everything up here is with her blessing and she does her own positive contributions.

I am not really pro-program.

I did not go to a "program" my self to get sober and I think there are far too many people, "hiding out" in the excuse of a "program", sitting in comfy bed, getting drugs to take the "edge off", rather than just "knock off the behavior" and "suck up" and get through the pain.

I am very much a "pull yourself up by your boot straps" type of person and all the women I sponsered over the first decade of my sobriety would tell you that, but it was different when it was my child and the complications certainly caused me to reach out for many kinds of help.  I do believe, I left "no stone unturned" in my quest for our way out of hell.

I don't have degrees or titles, nor have I held on to my "position" or "stuff" in life to prop me up.  (sometimes I look back, at 50, and wonder if I should have maybe  :silly: with all the tragedies that have befallen me and I yell about it regularly (it doesn't help).

Anyway, I think each person has to be responsible to look at ALL options and then do the best they can with what they've got and be responsible for both the good and bad choices they make.

I am responsible and accountable and like to think that as a society, we will support each other in "getting there" together.

If we helped each other more in a positive way and were there for each other, we would need TBS's less.

Think about that!
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« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2006, 05:09:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-28 13:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Mcr84kar86

Gee...WOW!

Really sorry about your asshole ex-husband.

Congratulations on your 17th sobriety chip!

Sorry about the upcoming court ordeal, whatever that's about--



But could you answer my PREVIOUS two questions?

What program was your daughter in that you felt helped her?

What's the name of the program that you feel needs to be closed down?

Thanks.

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« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2006, 05:13:00 PM »
MCR - if you made shorter, more focused posts that didnt have 15 disparate, omnidirectional points so that it could be boiled down to a few points to debate or talk about, that would be most helpful, because rambling emotional and personal posts really just waste everyones time.

I wasnt going after scared, confused parents. Im angry at the parents who cant handle guilt and try to shrug it off or try to get attention "oh woe is me" about how sorry and confused they were and how bad their kid was abused, but never seem to say anything about their poor kid.

Again, I have said this at least half a dozen times! Please calm down and read what I say and stop being so defensive.

I realize youre emotional and upset... mostly because by making run-on emotional diatribes as posts you kind of billboard it to everyone. Im talking about SPECFICALLY parents that are showboating just how "sorry" they are, for attention, or those who make excuses of all sorts about how they were fooled and tricked to get out of guilt and blame.

Your own defensiveness in light of that is understandable, but useless. I dont have anything personal against you, but frankly Im ambivilant to that. Im not here to provide coping skils to people who feel guilty. Im not attacking ALL parents, just THOSE parents. Im also not here to put up with people twisting admonition of their guilt and apologizes into dramatic attentionwhoring - and, AGAIN, thats who I was directing this to, and only to them.

Im also not against treatment - Im against the misapplication of restrictive confinement in any but the most needed circumstances, and only for the period of time in which it takes to stabilize them - if its a week, days, or a few hours, so be it. Its commonly MIS-used by private programs that dont even provide therapy, but instead work on a B.I.T.E. model which amounts to little more than "behavior modification" or "brainwashing" depending on who you ask. Those are useless for anything except the parents, who get attention from the support groups and BBSes and get to ditch the kid for a while and be given back a kid that acts just the way they want.

Real TREATMENT, Im not against at all. Therapy is a useful tool to those who need it, but only when its CONSENTUAL. Nonconsentual therapy is not, period. Any amount of time in confinement when its not truly necessary is criminal and is a violation of their rights as a human being, PERIOD. Isolation of the sort these for-profit programs utilize its not therapeutic or useful for therapy at all, PERIOD. Forced or coersed anything is not okay, PERIOD, and 'forcing' treatment is only acceptable if they are literally in danger of inflicting bodily harm to or killing themselves, or others. Once that is not a risk, further confinement is a violation of their rights.

Do you understand me yet? And please, make a shorter post that I can follow thats not all over the place.
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« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2006, 05:23:00 PM »
MCR84kar96
It is nice to know you have a thriving business..the patience of Job..a boyfriend...and the ability to not think about "all this mess for 2 years...."
NOW WILL YOU ANSWER MY two simple questions?
The name of the programs, please.
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« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2006, 05:36:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-28 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"MCR84kar96

It is nice to know you have a thriving business..the patience of Job..a boyfriend...and the ability to not think about "all this mess for 2 years...."

NOW WILL YOU ANSWER MY two simple questions?

The name of the programs, please."


Now do you get my frustration at people making it about them when its supposed to be about those kids being tortured while we're too busy having a pissy fest about how its always about them?  :roll:
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2006, 05:41:00 PM »
mcr84kar86, you are communicating well, they are trying to beat you down but they haven?t found that one Latin phrase to discredit your story yet.  If you read thru many posts here, you will not see many accounts from the kids where they attempt to explain why they went to a TBS or why their parents felt compelled to send them, so your account isnt heavy ended.  Most posts are written from the writers perspective and their feelings, it?s a natural standard here.
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« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2006, 05:51:00 PM »
Personally, I think parents who turn to programs to fix a troubled teen live in a fantasy world. No program can give you back the kid you once knew.  What they do is suppress adolescence to such a perverse degree that what parents get after a year or more of behavior modification is a teen who has REGRESSED into a child like compliance with an over-bearing, over demanding, emotionally inefficient parent.

In short, they get a kid who has lost their own identity.  They have become not who they are, but who the parents WANT them to be.

This is called CONDITIONAL LOVE.  It is the end result of conditioning children to think and act in accordance to earning such basic privileges as going to the bathroom without raising their hand.

Parents, get a grip.  Stop bullying your children into submission.  If they need help, take them to a qualified adolescent behavioral healthcare specialist - not some buffoon in a tin hat.

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« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2006, 05:54:00 PM »
hmmm - I don't call him that as he is the father of my children and all children want to love their parents, no matter how "challenged" they are (and he is very challenged).

Disrespect of a parent is to disrespect the child also.  I don't want my children (even though they are 21 and 19) to feel that way about themselves.

I am proud of the love that my children have for their father (maybe not so much my daughter right now, as he "used" her terriblly, to trick her into hurting me, but we all need to be cautious of "free" rides and she learned a very harsh lesson in life).

So, http://www.walkabout.com is the first place we had experience with for two months.  Doc Rick was just tremendous and the whole staff(even though the experience was traumatic and I had nightmares every night about where I had sent my daughter and all the random free-floating anxiety that it took constant logic flow to stem the tide of) was incredible in their support both of my daughter and our family interaction.

You could drop my daughter down most anywhere on this planet out in a wilderness situation and my bet would be on her as a leader, guide, positive influence on not just "surviving", but thoroughly enjoying the experience of being at one with nature (they did grow up hiking, camping, playing in the mountains, etc., but now she's the leader, not me   :grin: )

The next place was New Haven for 9 motnhs and where people are getting this "locked down" business, I don't know.

The hospitals/treatment places in our metropolitan area had those, but my whole reason for "sending my child away" was to get away from that.  

Maybe some kids can endure that, but my kid is extremely independant and free and had always been that way from birth.  She was the epidome of "I do it", much to my chargrin (I couldn't even pick her clothes - we called her miss independant).

New Haven was month to month and I thought it would just be a month or two, but she decided to pull her dad into the "power trip" with me and get him to get custody.  

That is what really aggravated the whole mess.

Things just got more and more complicated, but at any time she could have "walked".

Any of you who know the place, kids "run away" all the time, but she loved working with the stallion they had there.

My kid was very horse savy and the therapuetic trainer worked with her on "communicating with this horse to not force her will on him, but to get him to want to "play" with her and please her.

She was very impressed and began to see her "will" and her "power" in a whole new light.

All of the "places" we worked with had compulsorary parent involvement.  The theory was that it was no use treating the child if they went home and all the crap just kept on going.

We should have 'graduated" there, but the litigation stuff was now in full swing.  There were legal teams swirling around, ed cons, judges and all these people who had no idea even who my daughter was or what was going on, they were going to "HELP".

I will not name the last place as it is not in our best interest right now to have any litigious involvement over and above the mess I am trying to rid myself of leftover from all that time.

My daughter, this is her place to be comfortable and I don't think it would help her to lay out the family mess.

It's my mess to resolve and make go away so that we can all go on in peace.

I am hopeful parents will work dilegently to pursue what is best for the whole family, but be kind when they make mistakes, I don't think there are any gods in all this mess, we are just humans trying to do the best we can.

But above all, love one another.

I had no money, no health, all my friends abandoned me as they all had opinions about what I should do (tough love, ditch my kid) and I had to turn my back on alot in my life and look to the love of my kid.

My best friend died of cancer during this mess.

my sponser died of parkinson's disease and my Priest att he ripe old age of 90 decided it was time to go "Home".

You know what, life's not fair.

But my priest, Fr. Traecy always said, "there is never a justifiable reason, for doing the wrong thing."

So I tried, despite all the distractions and stuff to pull me away from my responsibilities to just continue to do the "right" thing, no matter how difficult.

I made many trips to Utah(I'm still paying those credit cards), I brought my daughter home as often as I could, I made many trips to the other location (and she NEVER was in a locked down place) it wouldn't have worked with her anyway, she's not the type you can do that with.

She still has her beauty, her spirit (even better) all all her talent and independence, but now she has the decision making ability to stand back, evaluate, and take her time to think things through, rather than just impulsively jump at stuff.

Sorry, I am sooo wordy, came from long line of "words' people.
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« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2006, 06:04:00 PM »
thanks "the who", but after having a 14 year old that tested out of college in her "placement" tests for treatment, that her whole 24/7 job was to aggravate, "mess" with me, these people are amatuers  :wave:
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« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2006, 06:08:00 PM »
So from all of those WORDS:
I believe you said: Your daughter was at New Haven and doing fine.
Your ex-husband got involved.
After some "court mess" your daughter was  placed in this 2nd facility that you believe should be closed down.
Now, due to some on-going legal problems with this 2nd facility---you will not name this place.

Is that what you said?

Again: very sorry about the on-going tragedies swirling about you.
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« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2006, 06:16:00 PM »
--brrrrrring brrrrrrrring...--

"Mr. Troll speaking."

Sorry about that, I just had to call you.

"Some twit on a forum is spewing a line of complete bullshit and you're calling troll? It's all right, that's what I'm here for."
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« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2006, 06:21:00 PM »
i guess i am not being clear - Walkabout was great 2001 - new haven was great 2001 - 2002, but during our "time" there, my daughter tried to pull her dad into her life as all she had ever felt was abandonment - he chose to move 3000 miles away from her during her childhood - it is the third place 2002 - 2004, that we only resorted to as a "holding place" (that was all that was supposed to be, but ongoing court proceedings dragged that out for a year and a half), till the court mess was over - this place used "power trips" and manipulations to "spilt" the family and interact with the legal staffs involved, rather than me the parent - not until my daughter was almost 18 did I finally simply "Pull" her from any further "treatment" involvement and simply dare "all" to put me in jail to bring her home - my court involvemnt with her father continued over power trips he continues in his attempt to just keep me involved with his life - ("pictures are missing", just material "stuff" that he asserts he was "deprived" of) I believe the last place's choices are bringing themselves to their logical conclusion without my help.
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« Reply #59 on: April 28, 2006, 06:24:00 PM »
what is a troll??
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