Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
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Badpuppy:
Thanks for the warning. The practice of placing underage inmates in a position to give consequences to other underage inmates is indefensable. Apparantly the only thing left for them to do is to deny that it happens. That is why I think wwasp dad is a troll. He would have to be on another planet to not know that in the WWASP system inmates give consequences to other inmates. It is part of their core program. Yet WWASP dad simply denied it. Their is a large consensus among mental health professionals that this practice is detrimental and abusive.
Anonymous:
Bad puppy, someone rubbed your nose in too much poo, I think.
"Did they also end the practice of emotionally disturbed kids giving consequences to other emotionally disturbed kids?"
Why do you assume the kids at the school are all emotionally disturbed? And do you understand that a "consequence" is just losing points? Do you know about the body of research that fully supports A. increasing privileges and responsibility in increments proportional to quality of performance and B. peer tutoring?
"Do you deny that mail to parents are censored?"
Absolutely. What you're confused about here is the level of parent/family involvement. Letters to and from parents are completely private. The only exception is if the PARENT sends a copy to the therapist or family rep.
"Do you deny that education is self paced which is another way of saying no classroom teaching?"
Again, absolutely. Self-paced is your term, and refers only to the speed with which a student completes something. Self-guided describes an individual plan for every child, something private schools have been striving to create for about twenty years. The student gets to run the show, and that's as it should be. Your assumption here seems to be that the teacher is not available. This has no relation to reality.
"Do you deny that isolation is used for punishment?"
Isolation is not used. Period. It is "intervention"--by clinical definition a completely different animal.
"That purple room looks mighty small and uncomfortable for a three day or longer stint."
Intervention looks like this: a student who is escalated goes to the intervention room, accompanied by staff. They can choose to stay escalated, but most are happy to try other available means of handling things: have a therapist come over and talk, have a staff they feel confortable with come over and talk, have an upper status student (one or a few) come over and talk. If they just don't want to talk, that's OK too.
By staying relatively calm for half an hour, the student shows a willingness to act in a safe manner, and heads back to wherever he was before that. The exception? Some kids want to stay and relax; that's OK. Some also go there at their own request, for a time-out.
Bottom line? It's up to the student, every step of the way. That isn't isolating, it's empowering.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-04-20 08:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Bad puppy, someone rubbed your nose in too much poo, I think.
"Did they also end the practice of emotionally disturbed kids giving consequences to other emotionally disturbed kids?"
Why do you assume the kids at the school are all emotionally disturbed? And do you understand that a "consequence" is just losing points? Do you know about the body of research that fully supports A. increasing privileges and responsibility in increments proportional to quality of performance and B. peer tutoring?
"Do you deny that mail to parents are censored?"
Absolutely. What you're confused about here is the level of parent/family involvement. Letters to and from parents are completely private. The only exception is if the PARENT sends a copy to the therapist or family rep.
"Do you deny that education is self paced which is another way of saying no classroom teaching?"
Again, absolutely. Self-paced is your term, and refers only to the speed with which a student completes something. Self-guided describes an individual plan for every child, something private schools have been striving to create for about twenty years. The student gets to run the show, and that's as it should be. Your assumption here seems to be that the teacher is not available. This has no relation to reality.
"Do you deny that isolation is used for punishment?"
Isolation is not used. Period. It is "intervention"--by clinical definition a completely different animal.
"That purple room looks mighty small and uncomfortable for a three day or longer stint."
Intervention looks like this: a student who is escalated goes to the intervention room, accompanied by staff. They can choose to stay escalated, but most are happy to try other available means of handling things: have a therapist come over and talk, have a staff they feel confortable with come over and talk, have an upper status student (one or a few) come over and talk. If they just don't want to talk, that's OK too.
By staying relatively calm for half an hour, the student shows a willingness to act in a safe manner, and heads back to wherever he was before that. The exception? Some kids want to stay and relax; that's OK. Some also go there at their own request, for a time-out.
Bottom line? It's up to the student, every step of the way. That isn't isolating, it's empowering.
"
--- End quote ---
Bottom line? Parents use these programs to get rid of their kids.
Ask any kid if they would rather be raised by their parents or a therapeutic community?
And please, save the B.S. about how the kid wouldbedeadorinjail.
Therapeutic boarding schools are prisons for rich kids whose parents simply don't want them around.
Amazing how many white kids are "sick" when it's a convenient way to remove them from their home, school and community and dump them into a high-priced private lock down facility with or without therapy.
MightyAardvark:
This would be a lot more fun if their lies were more sophisticated.
Anonymous:
Lets take this one point at time. I didn't say that all of your kids are emotionally disturbed. But the federal government studies show that 75% of the residential treatment population is reincarcerated in a psychiatric hospital or a correctional facility. And when you said that minors give point infractions to other minors you are in fact admiting that minors discipline other minors in a way in a way the results in loss of privileges and the lengthening of incarceration. THERE IS NO PRISON IN AMERICA WHERE INMATES ARE PART OF A PROCCESS THAT DECIDES THE LENGTH OF THE STAY OF ANOTHER INMATE. AS for the clinical studies on the wisdom of increasing privileges and responsibilities That is a red herring. CITE ME ONE JOURNAL ARTICLE WHICH STATES IT IS A GOOD IDEA FOR MINORS, THREE QUARTERS OF WHOM WILL BE INCARECERATED AT LATER DATE TO HAVE ANY DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY CONCERNING ABOUT THE TREATMENT OF OTHER CHILDREN.
Not only is it detrimental to the mental health of those on the receiving end of those point losses, but it is also harmful to those who have to give the consequences. They will live with the guilt that a decision of theirs lengthened the incarceration of their peers. This also has the effect of justifying and internalizing the ill treatment and abuse the discipling inmate recieved when he entered the program. This form of systematic brutalization is just one reason why Cross Creek is one of the worst child prisons in the United States. There are hundreds of posts including former inmates talking to each other which taken as body of evidence affirm this conclusion. And even if we allow for the fact that a percentage of the accounts are exagerated or false they are very consistant, and cross many years. And many of the posters are understating their brutal experiences because they are not savy about the aceeptable standards of care in a residential treatment center. These accounts are further butressed by sworn court testimony, and court filings against Cross Creek for Fraud, education fraud, false imprisonment, negligent child care, breech of fiduciary responsibilty, , etc. The fact that Cross Creek would ever in any timeframe put minors in that freezing hellhole is testimony to the validity of the complaints and lawsuits. It reveals the lack of consience and fundamental immorality of the operators. We can argue about what you perceive as clinical intervention but I view as punishment, what you describe as education, but I view as education fraud, and 1st amendment issures in later posts. I eagerly await your response.
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