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Anonymous:

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On 2006-04-01 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Very well said.  When you speak of shame and humiliation I think back to my childhood and the couple of things that took hold and effected me the rest of my life. I am not a psychologist, but I know it is not good to feel such shame and humiliation especially in front of an audience.  It reminds me of a movie I saw portraying Jim Jones and his followers.





I think Hyde could be a good program if it were run by outsiders who are not related to the Gaulds and who would start out fresh rather than having the effects of living at Hyde all of their lives as many of their leaders have. In fact we need more schools with good character education, but not in the way Hyde does it and not operated by administrators who have serious emotional afflictions themselves.  If Hyde wants to run this like a treatment program, then let them say this, and let them hire professional counselors, but if they are going to continue to operate as "Character Education" then they have a lot to learn in order to be effective.





PLEASE parents, do your homework, talk to former parents and students who are NOT listed on Hyde's recommendation sheet before you enroll your child there.  If you simply want to dump your kid off at a place that will have structure, very poor education and completely dysfunctional people raising your child, then Hyde is the place for you!  "


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 It is much better to live in a funk than be shocked out of it. The fact is that Hyde will not let you just drop your kid off.  The parents must be involved in the process.  If you want to be guided by the dysfunctional liten to the folk(s) posting hear telling you that hyde is bad.

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It's true.  Parents must be involved in the Hyde process.  What they don't tell you is that you have to be prepared to be shamed and humilated by Hyde staff and some alumni parents while you're involved in the Hyde process.  Some parents manage to avoid this either by buying in to the Hyde cult or by playing the Hyde game and flying under the radar.  But any parent who challenges Hyde should be prepared to be subjected to all manner of finger pointing, lectures, sermon, and humiliation.  That's Hyde's version of character education, a la Joe Gauld and company.  It's a trip.

Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2006-04-01 14:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-01 14:01:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2006-04-01 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:



"Very well said.  When you speak of shame and humiliation I think back to my childhood and the couple of things that took hold and effected me the rest of my life. I am not a psychologist, but I know it is not good to feel such shame and humiliation especially in front of an audience.  It reminds me of a movie I saw portraying Jim Jones and his followers.







I think Hyde could be a good program if it were run by outsiders who are not related to the Gaulds and who would start out fresh rather than having the effects of living at Hyde all of their lives as many of their leaders have. In fact we need more schools with good character education, but not in the way Hyde does it and not operated by administrators who have serious emotional afflictions themselves.  If Hyde wants to run this like a treatment program, then let them say this, and let them hire professional counselors, but if they are going to continue to operate as "Character Education" then they have a lot to learn in order to be effective.







PLEASE parents, do your homework, talk to former parents and students who are NOT listed on Hyde's recommendation sheet before you enroll your child there.  If you simply want to dump your kid off at a place that will have structure, very poor education and completely dysfunctional people raising your child, then Hyde is the place for you!  "



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 It is much better to live in a funk than be shocked out of it. The fact is that Hyde will not let you just drop your kid off.  The parents must be involved in the process.  If you want to be guided by the dysfunctional liten to the folk(s) posting hear telling you that hyde is bad.


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It's true.  Parents must be involved in the Hyde process.  What they don't tell you is that you have to be prepared to be shamed and humilated by Hyde staff and some alumni parents while you're involved in the Hyde process.  Some parents manage to avoid this either by buying in to the Hyde cult or by playing the Hyde game and flying under the radar.  But any parent who challenges Hyde should be prepared to be subjected to all manner of finger pointing, lectures, sermon, and humiliation.  That's Hyde's version of character education, a la Joe Gauld and company.  It's a trip."

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In order to change you have to reach a teachable moment.  To be teachable you must be humble. It takes differnt things for different people. If you are not interested in growth and change by all means dont become involved with hyde.

Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2006-04-02 07:35:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-01 14:18:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2006-04-01 14:01:00, Anonymous wrote:



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On 2006-04-01 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:




"Very well said.  When you speak of shame and humiliation I think back to my childhood and the couple of things that took hold and effected me the rest of my life. I am not a psychologist, but I know it is not good to feel such shame and humiliation especially in front of an audience.  It reminds me of a movie I saw portraying Jim Jones and his followers.









I think Hyde could be a good program if it were run by outsiders who are not related to the Gaulds and who would start out fresh rather than having the effects of living at Hyde all of their lives as many of their leaders have. In fact we need more schools with good character education, but not in the way Hyde does it and not operated by administrators who have serious emotional afflictions themselves.  If Hyde wants to run this like a treatment program, then let them say this, and let them hire professional counselors, but if they are going to continue to operate as "Character Education" then they have a lot to learn in order to be effective.









PLEASE parents, do your homework, talk to former parents and students who are NOT listed on Hyde's recommendation sheet before you enroll your child there.  If you simply want to dump your kid off at a place that will have structure, very poor education and completely dysfunctional people raising your child, then Hyde is the place for you!  "




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 It is much better to live in a funk than be shocked out of it. The fact is that Hyde will not let you just drop your kid off.  The parents must be involved in the process.  If you want to be guided by the dysfunctional liten to the folk(s) posting hear telling you that hyde is bad.



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It's true.  Parents must be involved in the Hyde process.  What they don't tell you is that you have to be prepared to be shamed and humilated by Hyde staff and some alumni parents while you're involved in the Hyde process.  Some parents manage to avoid this either by buying in to the Hyde cult or by playing the Hyde game and flying under the radar.  But any parent who challenges Hyde should be prepared to be subjected to all manner of finger pointing, lectures, sermon, and humiliation.  That's Hyde's version of character education, a la Joe Gauld and company.  It's a trip."


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In order to change you have to reach a teachable moment.  To be teachable you must be humble. It takes differnt things for different people. If you are not interested in growth and change by all means dont become involved with hyde."

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You're absolutely right when you say that "to be teachable you must be humble."  Hyde says that everyone in the community must be willing to learn, to be teachable.  One of Hyde's fundamental problems is that while some people in the community are indeed humble, too many are not.  There are simply too many glaring contradictions at Hyde, primarily including a number of very visible and vocal administrators and staff who are just the opposite of humble.  Staff who shame, humiliate, denigrate and belittle students and parents are not humble.  There's no question that too much of that occurs at Hyde - no question at all.  Once Hyde rids itself of that quality, perhaps it will be a healthy environment that lives up to the ideals and principles that hang from the banners on the walls.

Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2006-04-02 08:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-02 07:35:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2006-04-01 14:18:00, Anonymous wrote:



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On 2006-04-01 14:01:00, Anonymous wrote:




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On 2006-04-01 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:





"Very well said.  When you speak of shame and humiliation I think back to my childhood and the couple of things that took hold and effected me the rest of my life. I am not a psychologist, but I know it is not good to feel such shame and humiliation especially in front of an audience.  It reminds me of a movie I saw portraying Jim Jones and his followers.











I think Hyde could be a good program if it were run by outsiders who are not related to the Gaulds and who would start out fresh rather than having the effects of living at Hyde all of their lives as many of their leaders have. In fact we need more schools with good character education, but not in the way Hyde does it and not operated by administrators who have serious emotional afflictions themselves.  If Hyde wants to run this like a treatment program, then let them say this, and let them hire professional counselors, but if they are going to continue to operate as "Character Education" then they have a lot to learn in order to be effective.











PLEASE parents, do your homework, talk to former parents and students who are NOT listed on Hyde's recommendation sheet before you enroll your child there.  If you simply want to dump your kid off at a place that will have structure, very poor education and completely dysfunctional people raising your child, then Hyde is the place for you!  "





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 It is much better to live in a funk than be shocked out of it. The fact is that Hyde will not let you just drop your kid off.  The parents must be involved in the process.  If you want to be guided by the dysfunctional liten to the folk(s) posting hear telling you that hyde is bad.




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It's true.  Parents must be involved in the Hyde process.  What they don't tell you is that you have to be prepared to be shamed and humilated by Hyde staff and some alumni parents while you're involved in the Hyde process.  Some parents manage to avoid this either by buying in to the Hyde cult or by playing the Hyde game and flying under the radar.  But any parent who challenges Hyde should be prepared to be subjected to all manner of finger pointing, lectures, sermon, and humiliation.  That's Hyde's version of character education, a la Joe Gauld and company.  It's a trip."



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In order to change you have to reach a teachable moment.  To be teachable you must be humble. It takes differnt things for different people. If you are not interested in growth and change by all means dont become involved with hyde."


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You're absolutely right when you say that "to be teachable you must be humble."  Hyde says that everyone in the community must be willing to learn, to be teachable.  One of Hyde's fundamental problems is that while some people in the community are indeed humble, too many are not.  There are simply too many glaring contradictions at Hyde, primarily including a number of very visible and vocal administrators and staff who are just the opposite of humble.  Staff who shame, humiliate, denigrate and belittle students and parents are not humble.  There's no question that too much of that occurs at Hyde - no question at all.  Once Hyde rids itself of that quality, perhaps it will be a healthy environment that lives up to the ideals and principles that hang from the banners on the walls."

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O.K. so how does Hyde deal with some one that is outside the community norms?  Shunning is a time honored practice in closed communities. see:
http://www.800padutch.com/atafaq.shtml#shun
The justification _is_ from the teachings of Paul which I am some times less then sanguine about.  But he was a well meaning fellow and the road to demascus story made a wonderful Caravaggio painting:
http://www.christusrex.org/www2/art/images/carav14.jpg
which in turn provided the archatype for Piccasso's piece of the senselessness and horror of war:
http://www.abcgallery.com/P/picasso/picasso34.html

No One Special

StephenLong:
Once again I see a number of people (or could it just be one person having a conversation with him or herself?) whining and making outrageous statements without identifying themselves.

How can anyone take any of you seriously when none of you are willing to back up your statements, innuendoes, and accusations by stating your name?

I am saddened by the lack of integrity, maybe thatÕs why you all probably washed out.

Stephen Long
Hyde '81

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