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hyde is great
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---What really amazes me is how the school hires all these young faculty who quickly end up leading FLCs and other group discussions that are like therapy sessions. How can this school justify putting these novices into those situations, especially when parents and students end up talking about the most amazingly sensitive family stuff imaginable?
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The key here being "like" therapy sessions. A conversation with a friend can be "like" a therapy session, but there are differences. Sometimes thoses conversations can get out of control and that's when they have to be directed elsewhere or outside professional help suggested. I've been through a couple of FLCs and while they sometimes went into very deep, personal issues, those discussions were entered into voluntarily and were appropriately guided by the facilitator. I can't say that I experienced "traumatic" situations as some have alluded to, but I'm not discounting the experiences of others.
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I did not disclose my personal issues voluntarily. I am not disputing what your experience was, but I did many more FLC's then the "couple" of ones you say you did. My experience in those FLC's, was that the parents and kids were very much pressured into opening up even when they didn't want to. The other students and parents in the FLC's along with the facilitator sometimes would belittle a person in order to get them to spill their guts. One time a woman stood up for the allowed time and didn't want to say anything. She was obviously very troubled about something in her life. The facilitator humiliated this woman in front of everyone until she ended up crying. This was a great feat in the facilitators cap. You could tell she was very proud of herself when she broke this woman down. The woman still would not divulge the family secret she had inside of her. The facilitator badgered and badgered her the entire weekend. I understand she pulled her child out of Hyde shortly after.
This to me is not a sufficient way of helping a person deal with their issues. What kind of training and education do these former students and parents have when they take on the role to facilitate a group session? Do they know what to do in an emergency situation? To me this seems like very dangerous territory.
I am glad that you did not experience "traumatic" results. You are of the lucky ones. I don't want to be "lucky" with my child. I want to know he is getting the best care possible when I pay $35,000++ to get him a "character education."
I personally think these people at Hyde are the ones who need the group sessions with a good therapist because they seem to be nuts! They are stuck in a place for many years where they don't grow and yet they are trying to dispense therapy??? This seems crazy.
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Ditto! I couldn't have said it better myself! I felt that Hyde was a toxic place. I observed the same negativity at Hyde that others are talking about on this board.
Thx to whoever started this board.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---What really amazes me is how the school hires all these young faculty who quickly end up leading FLCs and other group discussions that are like therapy sessions. How can this school justify putting these novices into those situations, especially when parents and students end up talking about the most amazingly sensitive family stuff imaginable?
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The key here being "like" therapy sessions. A conversation with a friend can be "like" a therapy session, but there are differences. Sometimes thoses conversations can get out of control and that's when they have to be directed elsewhere or outside professional help suggested. I've been through a couple of FLCs and while they sometimes went into very deep, personal issues, those discussions were entered into voluntarily and were appropriately guided by the facilitator. I can't say that I experienced "traumatic" situations as some have alluded to, but I'm not discounting the experiences of others.
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I did not disclose my personal issues voluntarily. I am not disputing what your experience was, but I did many more FLC's then the "couple" of ones you say you did. My experience in those FLC's, was that the parents and kids were very much pressured into opening up even when they didn't want to. The other students and parents in the FLC's along with the facilitator sometimes would belittle a person in order to get them to spill their guts. One time a woman stood up for the allowed time and didn't want to say anything. She was obviously very troubled about something in her life. The facilitator humiliated this woman in front of everyone until she ended up crying. This was a great feat in the facilitators cap. You could tell she was very proud of herself when she broke this woman down. The woman still would not divulge the family secret she had inside of her. The facilitator badgered and badgered her the entire weekend. I understand she pulled her child out of Hyde shortly after.
This to me is not a sufficient way of helping a person deal with their issues. What kind of training and education do these former students and parents have when they take on the role to facilitate a group session? Do they know what to do in an emergency situation? To me this seems like very dangerous territory.
I am glad that you did not experience "traumatic" results. You are of the lucky ones. I don't want to be "lucky" with my child. I want to know he is getting the best care possible when I pay $35,000++ to get him a "character education."
I personally think these people at Hyde are the ones who need the group sessions with a good therapist because they seem to be nuts! They are stuck in a place for many years where they don't grow and yet they are trying to dispense therapy??? This seems crazy.
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Ditto! I couldn't have said it better myself! I felt that Hyde was a toxic place. I observed the same negativity at Hyde that others are talking about on this board.
Thx to whoever started this board.
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I too am reassured to know about this board. It's very helpful to read the comments of other parents whose Hyde experiences matched my own in that they were very terribly painful and harmful. Some of my worst experiences at Hyde were in seminars and FLC's. Although some of the discussions were useful, I can't help but remember a number of horrific incidents where staff and other parents (especially alumni parents) berated both students and their parents for not "digging deep enough," and not exposing their personal secrets and dirty laundry. Several times I saw students and parents fall apart in those meetings. I even heard a couple of the participants talk about suicide because of their despair. What worries me the most about Hyde is that many of the staff and alumni parents act like therapists when they clearly don't have a clue about what good therapy is all about. Some of what happens in those seminars and FLC's is sadistic and incredibly amateurish, yet it's done in the name of Hyde's peculiar and mean-spirited form of character education. I know of many parents who felt duped by Hyde; they discovered too late in the game what the school is about. For financial reasons these parents felt obligated to finish out the year and then quickly look for healthier schools.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---What really amazes me is how the school hires all these young faculty who quickly end up leading FLCs and other group discussions that are like therapy sessions. How can this school justify putting these novices into those situations, especially when parents and students end up talking about the most amazingly sensitive family stuff imaginable?
--- End quote ---
The key here being "like" therapy sessions. A conversation with a friend can be "like" a therapy session, but there are differences. Sometimes thoses conversations can get out of control and that's when they have to be directed elsewhere or outside professional help suggested. I've been through a couple of FLCs and while they sometimes went into very deep, personal issues, those discussions were entered into voluntarily and were appropriately guided by the facilitator. I can't say that I experienced "traumatic" situations as some have alluded to, but I'm not discounting the experiences of others.
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I did not disclose my personal issues voluntarily. I am not disputing what your experience was, but I did many more FLC's then the "couple" of ones you say you did. My experience in those FLC's, was that the parents and kids were very much pressured into opening up even when they didn't want to. The other students and parents in the FLC's along with the facilitator sometimes would belittle a person in order to get them to spill their guts. One time a woman stood up for the allowed time and didn't want to say anything. She was obviously very troubled about something in her life. The facilitator humiliated this woman in front of everyone until she ended up crying. This was a great feat in the facilitators cap. You could tell she was very proud of herself when she broke this woman down. The woman still would not divulge the family secret she had inside of her. The facilitator badgered and badgered her the entire weekend. I understand she pulled her child out of Hyde shortly after.
This to me is not a sufficient way of helping a person deal with their issues. What kind of training and education do these former students and parents have when they take on the role to facilitate a group session? Do they know what to do in an emergency situation? To me this seems like very dangerous territory.
I am glad that you did not experience "traumatic" results. You are of the lucky ones. I don't want to be "lucky" with my child. I want to know he is getting the best care possible when I pay $35,000++ to get him a "character education."
I personally think these people at Hyde are the ones who need the group sessions with a good therapist because they seem to be nuts! They are stuck in a place for many years where they don't grow and yet they are trying to dispense therapy??? This seems crazy.
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Ditto! I couldn't have said it better myself! I felt that Hyde was a toxic place. I observed the same negativity at Hyde that others are talking about on this board.
Thx to whoever started this board.
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I too am reassured to know about this board. It's very helpful to read the comments of other parents whose Hyde experiences matched my own in that they were very terribly painful and harmful. Some of my worst experiences at Hyde were in seminars and FLC's. Although some of the discussions were useful, I can't help but remember a number of horrific incidents where staff and other parents (especially alumni parents) berated both students and their parents for not "digging deep enough," and not exposing their personal secrets and dirty laundry. Several times I saw students and parents fall apart in those meetings. I even heard a couple of the participants talk about suicide because of their despair. What worries me the most about Hyde is that many of the staff and alumni parents act like therapists when they clearly don't have a clue about what good therapy is all about. Some of what happens in those seminars and FLC's is sadistic and incredibly amateurish, yet it's done in the name of Hyde's peculiar and mean-spirited form of character education. I know of many parents who felt duped by Hyde; they discovered too late in the game what the school is about. For financial reasons these parents felt obligated to finish out the year and then quickly look for healthier schools.
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I am a parent who had a very bad experience at Hyde Schools. I hope that by telling my story I can save someone else from the pain and anguish I went through.
While attending a Family Weekend on campus with my wife, I participated in seminars run by the same unqualified, uneducated facilitators that people are speaking about on this site.
I have had some trauma in my life that I seldom talk about as it is too painful. I have tried to deal with this trauma with a psychologist in my local town, but will probably never fully get over the effects.
My belief is that Hyde thinks they can help everyone in every situation, but this is dangerous territory. In my case when they pushed hard enough and bullied me for two days straight I finally broke down. Hyde might think this was therapeutic for me, but Hyde did not have a professional on staff to help me with the outcome of discussing my trauma. I went into a place that I still cannot describe. I was told by my Psychologist that this was a mental breakdown. I drove home from Hyde with my wife only knowing that I was not coping with life. All of a sudden I was in another place at another time and barely understood who I was.
I feel that Hyde's arrogance of believing they know it all and have all the answers is seriously flawed. This "one size fits all" attitude of Hyde is dangerous as was in my case. I am ok now, but how many others have been temporarily or permanentaly harmed?
Sorry to bore you all with this but I feel my story is worth telling even if it only helps one person.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" --- I am a parent who had a very bad experience at Hyde Schools. I hope that by telling my story I can save someone else from the pain and anguish I went through.
While attending a Family Weekend on campus with my wife, I participated in seminars run by the same unqualified, uneducated facilitators that people are speaking about on this site.
I have had some trauma in my life that I seldom talk about as it is too painful. I have tried to deal with this trauma with a psychologist in my local town, but will probably never fully get over the effects.
My belief is that Hyde thinks they can help everyone in every situation, but this is dangerous territory. In my case when they pushed hard enough and bullied me for two days straight I finally broke down. Hyde might think this was therapeutic for me, but Hyde did not have a professional on staff to help me with the outcome of discussing my trauma. I went into a place that I still cannot describe. I was told by my Psychologist that this was a mental breakdown. I drove home from Hyde with my wife only knowing that I was not coping with life. All of a sudden I was in another place at another time and barely understood who I was.
I feel that Hyde's arrogance of believing they know it all and have all the answers is seriously flawed. This "one size fits all" attitude of Hyde is dangerous as was in my case. I am ok now, but how many others have been temporarily or permanentaly harmed?
Sorry to bore you all with this but I feel my story is worth telling even if it only helps one person.
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You're not boring us at all. Thanks for telling us what you went through. Most parents buy into it and sign their kids up for a year or two of it but the kids get a much more intensive, dangerous version obviously. The philosophy behind virtually every one of these places is to break them down and then build them up. Very dangerous territory indeed, especially when applied to developing children.
I'm assuming you either chose not to send your child or pulled them immediately following this experience?
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" --- I am a parent who had a very bad experience at Hyde Schools. I hope that by telling my story I can save someone else from the pain and anguish I went through.
While attending a Family Weekend on campus with my wife, I participated in seminars run by the same unqualified, uneducated facilitators that people are speaking about on this site.
I have had some trauma in my life that I seldom talk about as it is too painful. I have tried to deal with this trauma with a psychologist in my local town, but will probably never fully get over the effects.
My belief is that Hyde thinks they can help everyone in every situation, but this is dangerous territory. In my case when they pushed hard enough and bullied me for two days straight I finally broke down. Hyde might think this was therapeutic for me, but Hyde did not have a professional on staff to help me with the outcome of discussing my trauma. I went into a place that I still cannot describe. I was told by my Psychologist that this was a mental breakdown. I drove home from Hyde with my wife only knowing that I was not coping with life. All of a sudden I was in another place at another time and barely understood who I was.
I feel that Hyde's arrogance of believing they know it all and have all the answers is seriously flawed. This "one size fits all" attitude of Hyde is dangerous as was in my case. I am ok now, but how many others have been temporarily or permanentaly harmed?
Sorry to bore you all with this but I feel my story is worth telling even if it only helps one person.
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You're not boring us at all. Thanks for telling us what you went through. Most parents buy into it and sign their kids up for a year or two of it but the kids get a much more intensive, dangerous version obviously. The philosophy behind virtually every one of these places is to break them down and then build them up. Very dangerous territory indeed, especially when applied to developing children.
I'm assuming you either chose not to send your child or pulled them immediately following this experience?
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I seem to recall, perhaps incorrectly, Joe Gauld making reference to just such a phrase in school meeting: "...break them down and then build them up..." (in discussing "character" development).
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