Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Second Nature Wilderness Program
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--- Quote ---On 2006-03-22 10:26:00, odie wrote:
"DJ can you point me to the statistics that support your theory?
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There were a bunch of studies completed by the Surgeon General's office. This is their conclusion. I'm not sure if they posted the raw statistics or not, but I'm sure that's in the supporting documentation.
You can start here:
http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/m ... /sec7.html
I think Bazelon also has some good reports. A starting point:
http://www.bazelon.org/issues/children/ ... s/rtcs.htm
Check out these sources and I'll look up a few more for you.
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--- Quote ---On 2006-03-22 10:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The best success comes from individual therapy with a professional who specializes in adolescents combined with family therapy like Functional Family Therapy."
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--- Quote ---"By the way, what do you think they do at Second Nature? Your post sounds like it's right off of the SNWP website. In an office, or in the woods, it's still therapy with LOTS of family therapy going on simutaneously. Do your research instead of pulling this stuff out of your butt."
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This is actually you "pulling it out of your butt." FFT and individual therapy are always done in a COMMUNITY SETTING. What you're failing to realize is that SNWP is an OUT OF HOME PLACEMENT that is not recommended for any kid that doesn't meet the clinical threshold of being dangerous to self or others (about .5% of DIAGNOSED patients).
If your kid cannot be treated in the community, then it is appropriate to place them in a mental hospital.
My point is that if your kid requires out of home placement, then they are, by definition, out of the scope of treatment for WT, period.
Maybe you should do your research before lecturing a career mental health professional. You're on pretty weak ground to be arguing with me.
BTW, how do you have "LOTS of family therapy" with your kid removed from your family? It doesn't jive with reality.
What is your kid's DSM diagnosis for which s/he "required" WT? Who performed the psychometric testing? Who recommended WT?
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odie:
Thanks DJ, those links should keep me busy for awhile.
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Anonymous:
From the SNWP website:
"Why Second Nature Wilderness Program?
Second Nature Wilderness Program is NOT a boot camp for troubled teens. In fact, Second Nature Wilderness Program strongly disputes the enduring efficacy of any boot camp program for troubled youth. Boot camps, by design, are behavior modification paradigms, using coercion and hardship to negatively reinforce appropriate behavior. Second Nature is not a teen boot camp and has no affiliation with any such programs. Second Nature is a wilderness therapy program that provides psychoeducation, sophisticated and individualized therapy, and wilderness realism to highlight choices and consequences for your troubled teen, which aids in guiding students toward long term ambitions."
My kid was gone for 12 weeks. It worked. We continued family therapy. It worked. Getting away from a very unhealthy group of friends, a very dangerous city and an unhappy school setting for 12 weeks did my child a great service. Did we miss each other? YES. Why are you so afraid to say it might have worked? NOBODY is saying it works for all.
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--- Quote ---On 2006-03-22 10:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"From the SNWP website:
"Why Second Nature Wilderness Program?
Second Nature Wilderness Program is NOT a boot camp for troubled teens. In fact, Second Nature Wilderness Program strongly disputes the enduring efficacy of any boot camp program for troubled youth. Boot camps, by design, are behavior modification paradigms, using coercion and hardship to negatively reinforce appropriate behavior. Second Nature is not a teen boot camp and has no affiliation with any such programs. Second Nature is a wilderness therapy program that provides psychoeducation, sophisticated and individualized therapy, and wilderness realism to highlight choices and consequences for your troubled teen, which aids in guiding students toward long term ambitions."
My kid was gone for 12 weeks. It worked. We continued family therapy. It worked. Getting away from a very unhealthy group of friends, a very dangerous city and an unhappy school setting for 12 weeks did my child a great service. Did we miss each other? YES. Why are you so afraid to say it might have worked? NOBODY is saying it works for all.
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I already said I'm glad that it was a good experience for your kid. That's fantastic. God bless him/her and your family.
The problem I have is that the claims made on the website that you quoted have no basis in fact and there is ABSOLUTELY NO CLINICAL RESEARCH that supports this claim. All you have for "evidence" to support their methodology is their word that it works. I require a higher standard of evidence than that, as does any clinician.
Nothing works for everyone. Nobody said that. All I'm saying is that if worked for you it is reducible to chance or luck.
Again, what was the DIAGNOSIS that required WT? Who made the dx? Based on what testing?
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