Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Second Nature Wilderness Program
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One thing I do take issue with is the statement that "some kids can't be reached." It is true, but it's unfair to say that because WILDERNESS didn't help them that they're unreachable.
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Sorry Eudora, I missed this post. I just find that lots of the people on this forum criticize what didn't help for them and never talk about anything that did in fact help. There are people that will not be happy; not with therapy, not with drug therapy and certainly not with doing absolutely nothing but whining about how miserably they were treated. Parents that love their children (and I do realize that some don't) just want their kids to be happy in their own skin. Parents make mistakes. We could have made a huge one by sending our child to a "boot camp" instead of Second Nature. I agree, we were among the lucky few.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-22 09:52:00, odie wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 09:42:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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I would say the short-term success rate for wilderness (improving family dynamics, breaking the pattern of substance abuse, making in-roads on the emotional issues) is extremely high.
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Mental health professionals disagree. All data thusfar collected and analyzed shows that WT is basically ineffectual. The lion's share of attendees go right back to what they were doing before they went.
The recidivism rate for WT stands at 75%. So, if we're speaking in facts and not opinions, this modality is effective at changing behavior in only 25% of cases.
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Mental health professionals can't agree on a damn thing unless they have a vested interest in it.
So does anyone have statistics for what they think that does work for kids? I just want to compare these statistics to what I keep hearing doesn't work.
"When did I realize it? Well, one day I was praying and suddenly realized I was talking to myself."
--God
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The best success comes from individual therapy with a professional who specializes in adolescents combined with family therapy like Functional Family Therapy.
If this level of care is not enough for your kid, then WT or TBS DEFINITELY CAN'T HELP and your kid requires hospitalization.
odie:
DJ can you point me to the statistics that support your theory?
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--Andrew Carnegie, Scottish-born American industrialist and philanthropist
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Anonymous:
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If this level of care is not enough for your kid, then WT or TBS DEFINITELY CAN'T HELP and your kid requires hospitalization."
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That is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Who made you the authority and why haven't you published a study if you are so sure? Some communities don't have good therapists. There are good therapists at Second Nature. We may have condiered a TBS after Second Nature that was recommended to us but couldn't afford it. Fortunately, enough time in the Wilderness got our kid on the right track. DEFINITELY CAN'T HELP is erroneous. What happened to the 25% it helps that you talked about earlier?
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The best success comes from individual therapy with a professional who specializes in adolescents combined with family therapy like Functional Family Therapy."
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By the way, what do you think they do at Second Nature? Your post sounds like it's right off of the SNWP website. In an office, or in the woods, it's still therapy with LOTS of family therapy going on simutaneously. Do your research instead of pulling this stuff out of your butt.
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