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WWASP Exposed in Australia

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Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2006-03-17 22:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

FYI ... 1-800 snatchmykid is beautiful .. I don't know where you come up with these little gems (spoofs) but I'm glad you do because it restores my faith in humanity when I can laugh about this effing industry instead of feeling so burdened by the sheer horror of it all.

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Glad to be of service! I guess I owe it all to Crazy Mac. :wink:
Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits.
--Dan Barker, author and former evangelist
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BuzzKill:
///No, Karen, I think you're mistaken. ///

I know ya do. This is one of those things we just can not see eye to eye on.

///But I understand that some of my emails, however forwarded, copied or otherwise acquired, were into that mix too. ///

I'm not sure what you mean - but if you mean WWASP also had copies of email you had written to Carey - no doubt about it. She sold her hard drive. If you ever exchanged email with Carey Bock - WWASP has a copy of it.  If your OK with that - well how can I tell you, you are wrong? Its a personal matter, weather or not one wants to take issue with what she did.  You know how I feel about it.

///And, as I understand it, she took Carey for more than just a little good faith. She got a nice chunk of cold hard cash for her "help" in dialing 1-800-snatchmykid. ///

Well - I never heard that. I know Carey was supposed to pay Bozak for his help - but I heard she reneged on that obligation. Keeping in mind Carey was a happy Trekker for many months while I was also on the list - She never alluded to having paid Susan a dime. If Bozak owed Susan a kick back - I do a little doubt he paid her, as Carey didn't pay him - at least not what she had agreed to.  If I recall correctly - she never paid for the cost incurred while actually in Costa Rica - the jeep rental and so on. Carey never in any way suggested she had been "exploited" by Sue until after she left the Trekker list, and probably not until after she was in contact with WWASP's lawyers.

And it amazes me,  the way Carey (and you too) have twisted this whole event to make it out that Carey was "exploited"!
She wanted to get her boys Out of Dundee. She wanted help. She didn't want to go alone - and who can blame her for that? She was in contact with various Trekkers who referred her to Sue for the help she wanted - and they all worked together to help the women get to Costa Rica, and on the grounds of Dundee, to retrieve her boys. Why is it She, Carey, is glorified - and those who went to such lengths to help her are vilified?

And do you remember her calling me and my son liars for talking about the abuse at Dundee?
Her own sons gave an interview after getting to the hotel, were they too said exactly what we had related - but That she conveniently forgot all about. In fact - it was that very article that caused me to ask about specific abuses at Dundee, that I would not other wise have considered asking. Its how I learned about OP, for example.

And you've mentioned before, Sue trying to get Carey to place her sons threw PURE - suggesting the only reason Carey was given any help in retreving her sons was to get them enroll somewhere else by PURE. I remember that a lot differently as well. Remember - again - Carey and I were on good terms at the time - as well as both being on good terms with Susan - at the time. As I recall - Carey was having problems and had inquired with Susan about finding "Help".  Nothing came of it. But it is unfair of Carey to present this situation in the light she has - b/c it wasn't like that. I was, at the time, in a position to know.

As for when the trouble began on Fornits - if you'll look back, I think you'll see it started when she began posting examples of Trekker email on Fornits - which was considered by all concerned, a gross breach of confidence. Selling off her Hard Drive was much worse - but her posting that email was considered an outrageous act on her part - and that was the beginning of the "Fornits wars". Things heated up a great deal once it became known what she had done with her hard drive - and heated up again, once proof was obtained she had in fact sold it. But her posting that Trekker mail was the beginning. Very few Trekkers paid any attention to Fornits prior to that. I know I had never seen this board until after that. I kinda liked it , b/c it has generally the same format as the BST board - which I had liked and was missing - so I stuck around.

///I just don't see any reason to demonize her. It's sort of unfair, in light of the fact that she probably is restrained from defending herself these days. ///

Well no - I don't want her demonized either. But I do think it worth while to make sure people know what kind of person she is. For example - some of the kids or parents just discovering all this, and hearing only her side, might think her quit the heroic lady;  and there-by confide in her - and That would be a mistake - as everyone who ever did has learned.  Its no different than letting people know how it is PURE operates, as far as I'm concerned.

I can believe she may have been told to stay off the boards - but I don't believe she is to inclined to follow the rules. She has always done Lots of anon posting. Why would she stop now?

Its not unlike Scheff or Berryman or Reeves claiming they never read Fornits - Bull shit.


///I'm still not convinced that we need more regulation, though. I think we need a better educated, less dependent populace. ///

I would agree about the regulation if only the laws we have were being enforced! Maybe bigger, stronger laws with more sharp teeth will help. NO harm that I can see in trying. I agree absolutely with your second thought there.

///For another, really, how smart is it to trust someone to take full custody of your kid, even holding them incommunicado from you and the rest of the world just cause they say they're nice people?? Come on now, folks! ///

Yes - its incredible isn't it. I'm amazed  at my own such actions. Yet I am convinced a huge part of the problem is parents not understanding that there is no real and effective regulation and oversight. I know I never dreamed such things were possible - never mind taking place on such a massive scale! Thus my strong feeling on the need to educate the parents.

As far as the mental health advocates involvement - I am glad they are taking an interest. I think they can help.
I am somewhat involved with an advocacy group for mental illness. Consequently - I am aware that there is a very serious lack of good and appropriate care for the mentally ill - and there is a large and increasing population of mental patients. I'm not referring to the somewhat odd and eccentric - but those who are dysfunctional as a result of ill or untreated mental illness. There is no doubt in my mind, a lot of the depressed, obsessive, and borderline kids are ending up in these gulags because there is no appropriate help available - and the situations are quite extreme enough to make a family desperate for help. So - desperately searching for help they can't find at home, they start Googling, and low and behold - here is a "wonderful" program that claims to have helped thousands of kids just like theirs. There are truth in advertising laws - so surely they can't be exaggerating to much. Because they are offering mental health care; or drug rehab - they are surely regulated by state, even federal agencies. So, as it seems like the college fund will not be needed with out help, they spend the college fund on what help there is. Or, they take out second mortgages. Or maybe they are well to do and can afford it easily. Bt the point being - they are truly in need of help for their child - and help does not actually exist. Consequently - they are prime targets for the fraud and manipulation present all through out this troubled teen industry. Which is why web sites like Fornits are important. It why ISAC is so extremely valuable. It why I am always so pleased to see them pop up near the top of most Google searches. And yet - the industry continues its unchecked growth.

I am strongly opposed to mandatory mental health screening. However, I do wish educators were more educated in mental health issues. They are typically totally ignorant. Consequently - many a bright child is placed in LD/BD classrooms (typically nothing more than holding cells for throw away kids) because they are not able to complete their work, or tolerate the class room environment. There is a book with a chapter about one such child, that could represent many thousands of others just like herself - the book is "The Boy Who Couldn't Stop Washing" in case anyone is interested.

Anonymous:
THE CUTTING EDGE WAS PRODUCED IN FRANCE WAS PURCHASED BY TV STATION IN AUSTRALIA. I'm trying to get this film

Anonymous:
In the late 90's and early 2000 Dateline NBC, CBS 48 Hours and A & E Investigative Reports ALL did good programs on WWASPS and guess what happened?  The enrollment numbers actually went up.  Just like the more recent BRAT CAMP.  Some people will be horrified, some will think these hellholes are just the ticket.  These programs thrive even on bad publicity.  

WHY?

Because they are considered CONTROVERSIAL ... NOT AN ABERRATION.

PERSONAL CHOICE -- you might not send your kid to a boot camp or wilderness program b/c you think they are ABUSIVE and/or dangerous whereas another parent might believe just the opposite.

#2 -- FAR MORE PARENTS replace theid kid after a bad experience with a program than stop, all together.

THINK ABOUT THAT .. what does that tell us?

Kids can't win for losing as long as parents have all the rights.

Anonymous:
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Tranquility Bay Documentary - 2006/03/29 07:41 So, I just have to say that I watched 10 min on this doc. and started to have a physical reaction to what I was watching, I could barely get through it.

Just the sense of abandoment, helplessness and most of all complete and utter powerlessness and defeat was just overwhelming. I have to work tommorrow and I'm lucky enough to have a job and to have somehow pushed myself above my difficult experience and other experiences- the biggest reason why this place makes me so made is that it really exacerbated an already diffcult life sitution...the adjustment period b.w recovering from the program and tackling my issues, sometimes I do wonder that one thing the program said that was right was that I could very well die if I didn't do things differently b/c I went through bad stuff after graduating, only not only were they not providing the right tools to facilitate that process, they traumatized me to the point where I couldn't figure out how to pick myself back up from where I had been before the program.

Anyway, sometimes working on this issue makes it difficult to recall and then to realize just how many kids are still are going through this and so few people know or understand the problem with them, paticularly the importance of regulation as well as extending the rights to you as they would psych wards, access to advocates, no involuntary institionalization unless is was made certain the kid could use it.

What affects me the most was the complete dominance, the inability to speak your mind, to talk to parents, to do anything voluntarily... did anyone have a moment where it all came to you, meaning you thought to yourself, 'holy ---, i'm fd? As if something in you was being annihalted ...it's hard to explain any other way- I don't know any of you began to buy into the program at any time- but i just knew I was going have to try my best to internally comply to their empty words becuase if I showed any outward signs of dissent or anger I was questioning the program and that was a very bad thing...meaning you're f---d up. In other owrds, I had to see some value, believe their was some worth in what I was doing...I was desperate to belive with so I wouldn't go crazy... DOes that make any sense at all to anyone???

I lost myself that day or, rather over the course of a few weeks. Day in, day out was the same things, same sense of complete powerlessness and the numbness & desire to graduate, for approx. 18 months, 72 weeks, 504 days, 12096 hours, 725,760 minutes . . .and always the fear of being forced to return.

I remember- aha, this is funny...kind of... a fellow alumni, shortly after I left told on of the head people at the school that I had given a dude a bj and I had not felt so much rage and fear of the headmaster calling my parents and telling them I needed to return.

Still mostly I was oddly numb to.... hmmm... night night.

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