Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
WWASP Exposed in Australia
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-17 11:08:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"Nosey ass hole -
Unless you are a friend of mine or his (and its clear you are not) his personal information is most certainly none of your dam business.
//Why is he any different than all these other kids you have so much concern about? //
Hes not any different. He is as entitled to his personal privacy as any of them. If he wants to tell all the world his business, he can. I'm not going to.
Nor do I ask other parents who post about their kid's status or whereabouts. Its not any of my (and more importantly the world wide web's) business.
For example - I Hope Carey Bock's twins are doing well - but I wouldn't demand the info be plastered on Fornits.
I hope Susan's daughter is doing great - but I wouldn't dare insist she post it on the net.
Not so hard to understand is it?
Susan - yeah - she was once the referral diva for WWASP. I wouldn't say that the people who make up the Trekkers don't care - so much as they are willing to forgive a repentant heart. It was believed by all that she had indeed repented of her roll in referring kids to negligent and abusive programs. Some now think that was a mistake.
CCM - a Trekker was a member of a email list serve. Sue Scheff ran it (or runs it) deciding who is allowed on, or who must be kicked off. Most of the members were parents who had had a child in a wwasp program and had come to regret it. If you want a more detailed explanation feel free to PM or email. But really - there's not that much to tell.
One tid bit worth noting - It was the Trekker email that Cary Bock sold to WWASP for 25 grand.
*[ This Message was edited by: BuzzKill on 2006-03-17 11:23 ]"
--- End quote ---
BTW - most people wouldn't even know you had a kid in a WWAPS program and then Abundant Life Academy in Utah if you hadn't posted details about your son's personal life all over the Internet, including right here on Fornits when you came to the defense of Craig Rogers, the owner of ALA.
Not so hard to understand is it ... why people might want to know how your kid is -- or at least whether he is still working for ALA - or started his own program as you once posted he was apparently interested in doing.
:roll:
BuzzKill:
// "Most" of the Trekkers have come to "regret" their affiliation with Sue Scheff and PURE?//
This is not what I said.
Read it again, more carefully.
All I said about Cary Bock, and her selling the Trekker email to WWASP, was that it was a tid bit worth noting. And I do believe it is.
As for this: " nobody but the Trekkers thought she did anything wrong . . .
I disagree. Plenty of people not directly effected by this bit of treachery, thought it unethical, spiteful and vindictive in the extreme.
With that sad episode, She broke trust with many a person who never did her a bit of harm; even many who were supportive of her.
She did great damage to the Program Parent out reach work. In fact, she destroyed it. And Furthermore - she knew she would - and didn't care.
Her spiteful need for vengeance, over rode any interest she may once have had in helping get the parents awake, and the kids released.
Over rode any feeling of gratitude for the people who helped her retrieve her own sons.
Over rode any scrap of ethics or integrity she might have.
You don't need to lecture me on the whole story - I know it very well.
Even if she honestly decided WWASP was fine, and only Dundee might have had a few problems - and PURE was evil through and through - she knew she was betraying the confidence of many people who had nothing to do with PURE, and who had always been a friend to her - and she didn't care.
Carey herself knew it was an appalling thing to do.
Why else would she try so hard, for so long, to deny she did it, if there was nothing wrong with what she did?
And now we have Susan behaving in the same manor toward ISAC. The spiteful need for vengeance over riding all pretended concern.
Guess the Whole Wide World is OK with that bit of trechery too, huh?
BuzzKill:
///BTW - most people wouldn't even know you had a kid . . . if you hadn't posted details about your son's personal life all over the Internet, including right here on Fornits. . . ///
Well its hard to discuss the problems and issues in the industry with out disclosing ones history.
I am at times a bit embarrassed by the history; But never-the-less, I feel it is important people know where I am coming from, if I want them to hear me out on the issue of abuse and neglect in these programs. So - I do try to be up-front, even if I would at times rather not.
However - you weren't asking about history - you asked for an update on my son, who can decide for himself what he wants to disclose about current events.
///or at least whether he is still working for ALA - or started his own program as you once posted he was apparently interested in doing. ///
Why is where he's working anyone's business? Its not. Case closed.
And I do not believe I ever said he planned on starting a program. I was taunted with such remarks - but I never said such a thing, b/c such a thing was never true.
///Not so hard to understand is it ... why people might want to know how your kid is -- ///
Not at all. Thus my offer to fill you in if you wanted to ring me up.
But if your just some ass hole anon with an agenda, then you can just keep wondering.
Frankly - the "wheres your kid"? posts piss me off.
Its usually done as a snide swipe, at me and mine.
It always comes from some hostile anon - except once recently when Niles asked. That I didn't mind quite as much - as he at least was not hiding under a bag. I mean really - with the rest of you ass holes, its not like some friendly concerned person is inquiring out of genuine concern or interest - IS it?
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-17 13:33:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"// "Most" of the Trekkers have come to "regret" their affiliation with Sue Scheff and PURE?//
This is not what I said.
Read it again, more carefully.
All I said about Cary Bock, and her selling the Trekker email to WWASP, was that it was a tid bit worth noting. And I do believe it is.
As for this: " nobody but the Trekkers thought she did anything wrong . . .
I disagree. Plenty of people not directly effected by this bit of treachery, thought it unethical, spiteful and vindictive in the extreme.
With that sad episode, She broke trust with many a person who never did her a bit of harm; even many who were supportive of her.
She did great damage to the Program Parent out reach work. In fact, she destroyed it. And Furthermore - she knew she would - and didn't care.
Her spiteful need for vengeance, over rode any interest she may once have had in helping get the parents awake, and the kids released.
Over rode any feeling of gratitude for the people who helped her retrieve her own sons.
Over rode any scrap of ethics or integrity she might have.
You don't need to lecture me on the whole story - I know it very well.
Even if she honestly decided WWASP was fine, and only Dundee might have had a few problems - and PURE was evil through and through - she knew she was betraying the confidence of many people who had nothing to do with PURE, and who had always been a friend to her - and she didn't care.
Carey herself knew it was an appalling thing to do.
Why else would she try so hard, for so long, to deny she did it, if there was nothing wrong with what she did?
And now we have Susan behaving in the same manor toward ISAC. The spiteful need for vengeance over riding all pretended concern.
Guess the Whole Wide World is OK with that bit of trechery too, huh?"
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You don't get it do you Karen? The betrayal you speak of was predictable if you and the other trekkers would have bothered to take off the blinders. The enemy was among you but it wasn't Carey - it was your fearless leader -- the person you all so proudly jumped through hoops for and so fiercly protected from the big, bad WWASPIES.
Wake up woman! Carey was a side show -- small potatoes to what was really going on and at stake, whether you or any of the other trekkies can admit it or not. The personal attacks fooled nobody who understood PURE for what it is, another brand of WWASPS. They are in the same business just marketing different programs. They are COMPETITORS, advesaries in a highly lucrative industry.
What is so damn hard to understand here?
You were a PURE supporter just like you were once a WWASPS supporter. How many times do I want you to fall down the rabbit hole before you see the light? As for the relationship b/t ISAC and PURE, I agree that is a shame but again, hardly suprising given the fundamentally different agenda of these two organizations (one being a watchdog group the other being a group watched).
It's elementary Watson. Real simple chit.
Anonymous:
What is so damn hard to understand here?
You were a PURE supporter just like you were once a WWASPS supporter. How many times MUST you fall down the rabbit hole before you see the light? As for the relationship b/t ISAC and PURE, I agree that is a shame but again, hardly suprising given the fundamentally different agenda of these two organizations (one being a watchdog group the other being a group watched).
It's elementary Watson. Real simple chit.
Sorry, meant to say MUST.
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