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Why don't WE make a program?
« on: March 05, 2006, 02:17:00 PM »
Instead of abuse, beatings, isolation and all the other cultist dogshit that is inflicted on teenagers, why don't the members of Fornits pool their resources to make a place where kids are given love, attention, respect, and other things they badly need?

Consider it for a moment. Why should we allow these shiteaters the full run of the entire teen-help industry? What's stopping us from giving parents an alternative and maybe saving a shitload of kids?

Why don't we provide a real haven?
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2006, 03:04:00 PM »
I think 3 or 4 of the admins/owners. at Carlbrook were former TBS kids and that's what they did.
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2006, 03:06:00 PM »
True- they came out of Cascade.  But no one on this board will give them any credit for trying to make a good program.  These guys have done an incredible job.  It isn't perfect, but Grant and Justin had a dream of creating a better model for an emotional growth school.  Starting ANY business is hard, much less a school.  There have been some glitches and some bad hires, but on the whole, Carlbrook is the best there is.  They are quite selective in who they will admit, and NO referral fees are paid.
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2006, 03:22:00 PM »
I know, my kid is a graduate.  I admire their vision and continued commitment.  It took the whole of my kid's stay there for me to really get it and trust them. And, as I recently said on the Carlbrook thread, I'm sorry that all TBS programs are lumped into one big mess of assumptions.  Some of the programs around the country are really bad.  I did and still do the research. But, my kid did great at Carlbrook and if we have problems again, Carlbrook will not be to blame.
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2006, 04:54:00 PM »
Hi Karen.
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2006, 05:00:00 PM »
That wasn't me.  My kid didn't graduate, remember?  It may shock you to learn that there are a number of Carlbrook parents trolling this forum.
Karen
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2006, 05:11:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-05 11:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Instead of abuse, beatings, isolation and all the other cultist dogshit that is inflicted on teenagers, why don't the members of Fornits pool their resources to make a place where kids are given love, attention, respect, and other things they badly need?



Consider it for a moment. Why should we allow these shiteaters the full run of the entire teen-help industry? What's stopping us from giving parents an alternative and maybe saving a shitload of kids?



Why don't we provide a real haven?"


Umm... because we aren't qualified or certified to work with or counsel at-risk youth?

This is the same mentality as people who believe the program helped them: that just because we had an experience with a behavior mod school, whether it be positive or negative, and that we were troubled teens, that somehow gives us insight into running a program.

Get your therapist's certification, or degree in psychology or psychiatry, and have some experience working with and educating at-risk youth in a junior position to start with, and then come talk to me.
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2006, 05:23:00 PM »
On the other hand, we may be quite valuable as advisors to those who DO possess the right qualifications.  Those professionals who ARE qualified to reform this industry can't do it without the perspective of those who've been a part of it.  Those of us that want to help don't necessarily need to become doctors to do it, but it's silly to think that we could reform the system without at least working with medical professionals who understand how the human brain works on a scientific level.  We can help them to understand these issues better, by sharing the details of our experiences, but just because we know exactly how things went wrong doesn't mean any of us necessarily have a clue what would actually be good.  Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that none of us have any idea how to reform the system, but most of the people on this site are not doctors or psychologists, etc.  Our insights are valuable, but that doesn't mean we should necessarily be the ones who make the policies.  That's the real problem with these facilities, nobody with any real credentials ever had any say in how these places operate.
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2006, 05:47:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-05 14:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"That wasn't me.  My kid didn't graduate, remember?  It may shock you to learn that there are a number of Carlbrook parents trolling this forum.

Karen"


At least you're honest about your intentions.
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2006, 06:04:00 PM »
I define trolling as being somewhere where we are not welcomed.  So, yes, I am honest about my presence.
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2006, 06:33:00 PM »
In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as on online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. For more discussion on definitions, see below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Must have been a Freudian slip, your statement stands true.
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2006, 06:36:00 PM »
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"I define trolling as being somewhere where we are not welcomed.  So, yes, I am honest about my presence.

Karen"


If you were not welcome, why would Ginger allow you to post? Sounds like you are projecting, didn't you come from struggling teens - a heavily moderated forum?
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2006, 06:43:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-05 14:11:00, sorry... try another castle wrote:

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On 2006-03-05 11:17:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Instead of abuse, beatings, isolation and all the other cultist dogshit that is inflicted on teenagers, why don't the members of Fornits pool their resources to make a place where kids are given love, attention, respect, and other things they badly need?





Consider it for a moment. Why should we allow these shiteaters the full run of the entire teen-help industry? What's stopping us from giving parents an alternative and maybe saving a shitload of kids?





Why don't we provide a real haven?"




Umm... because we aren't qualified or certified to work with or counsel at-risk youth?



This is the same mentality as people who believe the program helped them: that just because we had an experience with a behavior mod school, whether it be positive or negative, and that we were troubled teens, that somehow gives us insight into running a program.



Get your therapist's certification, or degree in psychology or psychiatry, and have some experience working with and educating at-risk youth in a junior position to start with, and then come talk to me.
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You are exactly right, and that is the difference between program supporters and the medical/therapeutic/professional/government professionals and everyone else with any sense of rationality.

To the original anon - what type of qualifications do you have to work with teens?

Do you plan on being licensed by the state as an RTC or just starting up in a state like Utah or Montana to skirt the law?

Lastly, why do you want to start a program when you realize they are not effective. You are diverting these teens away from the REAL HELP they need. Just because parents want to send their kid away doesn't mean it's the best thing for the kid.

I think it's a horrible idea. There is a reason why people go to school and why treatment programs need to be licensed.
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2006, 07:01:00 PM »
First, I am not Karen.  I am Ted.

These are the professionals that run Carlbrook.  Grant, Justin and I think John have real life experiences as students in Emotional Growth schools.  I checked these men out completely before I sent my kid there.  They are commited and want the school to work.  My kid did not have any problems with any of these people. Like I said in my earlier post, I wasn't on board completely until it was time to say goodbye to Carlbrook.  It was a positive experience for all of us.  


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Glenn F. Bender, A.B., M.A., Ph.D.
Dean of Academics
With a Bachelor of Arts from Kenyon College and a Master of Arts and Doctorate in Philosophy and Educational Policy Studies from the University of Wisconsin, Dr. Bender brings extensive academic and administrative experience to the Board of Regents.  During a 25 year career in secondary and higher education, he has served as Dean of Academics and Dean of Admissions at the Academy at Swift River in Massachusetts, Director of Academics at Cascade School in California, Director of Admissions at Blue Ridge School in Virginia, and Professor of Philosophy at the University of Southwestern Louisiana.

Tim Brace, B.A., M.C.
Dean of Students
Mr. Brace has truly inspired a generation of students through his vision, innovation and educational leadership. During his distinguished career over the past 25 years, he has served as Headmaster or Executive Director at several secondary boarding schools, including Mt. Bachelor Academy in Oregon and the Academy at Swift River in Massachusetts. With a wealth of knowledge and experience in working with young people and their families that is virtually unmatched, Mr. Brace holds a Bachelor of Arts from the United States Naval Academy and a Master of Counseling from Arizona State University.

Jonathan Gurney, B.A., M.S.W., A.C.S.W.
Dean of Alumni
Mr. Gurney, who received his Bachelor of Arts and Master of Social Work degrees from Indiana University, has 18 years experience working with children and their families. As a Licensed Clinical Social Worker he worked as an Outpatient Family Therapist before serving as the Program Director of a dual inpatient/outpatient adolescent program during his tenure at the Charter Behavioral Health organization. Most recently, Mr. Gurney served as Clinical Director of a licensed wilderness program for adolescents in the Pacific Northwest, where he was responsible for oversight of all clinical services.  

John C. Henson, B.B.A., M.B.A.
Dean of Administration
Mr. Henson, who holds a Bachelor of Business Administration from the University of Texas at Austin and a Master of Business Administration from Georgia State University, began his career at Morgan Keegan & Company, Inc., where he was promoted to Associate Vice-President of the investment banking firm.  After passing the CPA exam, Mr. Henson was hired as Treasurer, and later served as Controller, of Steeltec, LLC, an Atlanta-based manufacturing company, where he was responsible for the firm?s accounting and audit review procedures, financial analysis and reporting, inventory management, and network administration.

Matthew Lovell, B.A., M.A., L.M.F.T
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Mr. Lovell received his Bachelor of Arts in Rhetoric from the University of California at Berkeley, and his Master of Arts in Clinical Psychology from John F. Kennedy University.A Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Adjunct Professor at National University, Mr. Lovell has taught courses in child development and family therapy and has nearly 20 years of clinical counseling experience both in the public and private sectors.His former positions include Program Supervisor at Franklin House, Mental Health Specialist at Herrick Hospital, Program Director at Cascade School, and private practice Family Therapist.

Justin J. Merritt, B.S., M.A. candidate, J.D.
Dean of Faculty
Mr. Merritt graduated magna cum laude with a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration from the University of Colorado and went on to study at Harvard University, Columbia University and the Université Paris I-Sorbonne. In addition to general jurisprudence, his scholarship has included the fields of economics, negotiation and dispute resolution, and organization management. With work experience at several law firms and the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, Mr. Merritt received his Juris Doctorate from Harvard Law School and is a candidate for a Master of Arts in Education from Columbia University.


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After receiving his Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of South Carolina, Mr. Price earned his Master of Arts degree from California State University, focusing on the study and analysis of various educational models.  Prior to Carlbrook, Mr. Price worked as a Certified Educational Consultant in Columbia, SC, where he evaluated hundreds of educational programs, conducted individual student evaluations and assessments, and identified appropriate educational environments for students. He is a former member of the Independent Educational Consultants Association.
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2006, 07:05:00 PM »
Nope- not a Freudian slip.  My posts meet the definition since anything I or any other parent says ona this forum in support of a program serves to "upset its participants".
Karen
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