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« on: February 20, 2006, 01:44:00 PM »
It's that nutcase that started Domino's Pizza.    :roll:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11434439/site/newsweek/

Halfway to Heaven
A Catholic millionaire's dream town draws fire.

By Susannah Meadows
Newsweek

Feb. 27, 2006 issue - The 5,000-acre tomato field in southwestern Florida sure doesn't look like heaven. Bulldozers scrape the land flat while clusters of Porta Pottis signal an undeniable earthiness. But soon a massive cathedral will rise from this barren spot. Reaching 100 feet in the air behind a 65-foot crucifix, the Oratory will anchor Ave Maria, a whole new town and Roman Catholic university 30 miles east of Naples. Ground was officially broken last week, and the plan is to build 11,000 homes?likely drawing families who already hold the church at the center of their lives.

For Tom Monaghan, the devout Catholic who founded Domino's Pizza and is now bankrolling most of the initial $400 million cost of the project, Ave Maria is the culmination of a lifetime devoted to spreading his own strict interpretation of Catholicism. Though he says nonbelievers are welcome, Monaghan clearly wants the community to embody his conservative values. He controls all the commercial real estate in town (along with his developing partner, Barron Collier Cos.) and is asking pharmacies not to carry contraceptives. If forced to choose between two otherwise comparable drugstores, Barron Collier would favor the one that honored that request, says its president and CEO, Paul Marinelli. Discussing his life as a millionaire Catholic who puts his money where his faith is, Monaghan says: "I believe all of history is just one big battle between good and evil. I don't want to be on the sidelines."

The ACLU of Florida is worried about how he's playing the game. "It is completely naive to think this first attempt [to restrict access to contraception] will be their last," says executive director Howard Simon. Armed with a 1946 Supreme Court opinion that "ownership [of a town] does not always mean absolute dominion," Simon will be watching Ave Maria for any signs of Monaghan's request's becoming a demand. Planned Parenthood is similarly alarmed. So far, Naples Community Hospital, which plans to open a clinic in Ave Maria Town, says it will not prescribe any birth control to students. Will others be able to get the pill? "For the general public, the answer is probably yes, but not definitely yes," says hospital point man Edgardo Tenreiro. The Florida attorney general's office says the issue of limiting access will likely have to be worked out in court. Barron Collier and Monaghan say they're following Florida law.

Raised by nuns in orphanages, Monaghan, 68, has tried to franchise his religious views in the past, creating elementary schools, a small college, Catholic radio stations and, in 2000, a Catholic law school. While many of his initiatives have foundered, the law school, with 88 percent of its most recent class passing the Michigan bar, is off to a strong start. Early signs suggest the new Ave Maria complex, his final and most ambitious project, might also work out. The developers are close to leasing 60 percent of the commercial space (no pharmacists yet), says project manager Blake Gable, and they have received some 7,000 inquiries from people interested in buying homes, which will go for less than the half-million median price in nearby Naples. In an area of strip malls and bad traffic, Ave Maria's communal design?with shops within walking distance to the homes?has civic appeal. "The general buzz is that the university and town are going to be a spark plug for massive development in that area," says Michael Reagen, president of the Naples Chamber of Commerce. Even the pope is interested. When Ave Maria Provost Father Joseph Fessio saw Benedict XVI, the first thing out of the new pontiff's mouth, according to Fessio, was, "How's Ave Maria?" He's not the only one awaiting the answer.
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2006, 08:40:00 PM »
Food franchiser, born in Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA.

With his brother he took over an ailing Ypsilanti, MI pizzeria called Dominick's (1960) and parlayed it into the Domino's Pizza chain, the country's second largest, with 4200 stores by 1988.

He also owned the Detroit Tigers baseball team (1983).

Among his various interests and philanthropies is his dedication to preserving the work of Frank Lloyd Wright.

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2006, 08:51:00 PM »
What do the Seminols have to say about this? That land sits over pristine wetlands and the best aquafer in the country. Westin to the east, Ava Maria to the west. It's dwindling.... Any community established in that area needs condoms more than anybody. That land just can't sustain any more urban sprawl.

Necessity is the excuse for every infringement of human freedom.  It is the argument of the tyrant and the creed of the slave.  
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2006, 08:56:00 PM »
Great, when it fails it will show the rest of the deluded religious people out there that a society based on fairy tales is no something we ever want or need.
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2006, 10:40:00 PM »
This guy wanted to build a gigantic crucifix on his property at Domino Farms and he could not get a permit to do so. This is what led him to Florida and why he decided to open his college down there.

Despite his "quirks" Domino Farms was a great place. Every winter they would have the most fanatasic light show that people drove their car through. After the light show one went inside to take the kids on a train ride, do activities, and then look at all the beautiful x-mas trees decorated in different themes. End the night by going down the hall to the all you can eat pizza buffet.

(I know this little blurb has nothing to do with the orginal topic BTW, but I couldn't resist)  :grin:
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2006, 10:55:00 PM »
The Scientologists throw a neat-o little shindig on Sunset Blvd. in LA during Xmas.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2006, 12:25:00 AM »
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"The Scientologists throw a neat-o little shindig on Sunset Blvd. in LA during Xmas."


Free food? ::bigmouth::
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2006, 12:17:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-20 17:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Great, when it fails it will show the rest of the deluded religious people out there that a society based on fairy tales is no something we ever want or need."


Check out the other religious universities:

Oral Roberts, Liberty University

... damn, I just drew a blank on the others.

Anyway, there are enough people willing to
follow, that it probably will not fail.

Except, it is a pretty aggressive idea,
incorporating a town with religious bylaws ...

Perhaps it will fail, but there are enough
people afraid of society that they may
migrate ...
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2006, 12:21:00 PM »
I don't recall hearing about Dominos Farms
before:

This is it, correct?

http://www.dominosfarms.com/

20th year story:
http://www.dominosfarms.com/news.php/26/#26
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2006, 01:38:00 PM »
That's the one.


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On 2006-02-21 09:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I don't recall hearing about Dominos Farms

before:



This is it, correct?



http://www.dominosfarms.com/



20th year story:

http://www.dominosfarms.com/news.php/26/#26"
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2006, 04:20:00 PM »
Founder Backs Off Plans For Catholic Town

POSTED: 1:29 pm EST March 3, 2006

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan, who is helping to bankroll the birth of a Florida town and university, backtracked Friday from comments that he'd like the community to be governed by strict Roman Catholic principles.

His ideas about barring pornography and birth control, he said, apply only to the Catholic university.

"There are a lot of misconceptions," Monaghan said Friday.

Both the town of Ave Maria and its Ave Maria University, the first Catholic university to be built in the United States in four decades, are set to open next year about 25 miles east of Naples in southwest Florida.

Monaghan's comments Friday contrasted with statements he made last year to a Catholic men's group in Boston that pornographic magazines won't be sold in town, pharmacies won't carry condoms or birth control pills, and cable television will carry no X-rated channels.

"I would say I just misspoke," Monaghan said Friday in an interview with The Associated Press. "The town will be open to anybody."

Monaghan had declined to comment earlier in the week, while his attorneys were reviewing legal issues surrounding his original ideas.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Florida had said it would sue if the proposals were instituted. Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said he saw nothing in Monaghan's proposals that violated state law.

The town is being developed through a 50-50 partnership with the Barron Collier Co., an agricultural and real estate firm. Barron Collier and Monaghan will control all commercial real estate.

The town will not allow adult bookstores or topless clubs. However, it will merely suggest, not prohibit, businesses from selling adult magazines or contraceptives.

"We are not going to censor any of that information, but in deference to Ave Maria University, we are going to request that they not sell that merchandise but we are not restricting," said Barron Collier chief executive Paul Marinelli.

"The misconception we're trying to clarify is that this is not going to be a strictly Catholic town. ... I think it would be boring if in fact it was all Catholic," Marinelli said.

He said the town would welcome "synagogues as well as Baptist churches."

Barron Collier executive Blake Gable said homosexuals will be welcome despite the church's belief that homosexuality is a sin.

Also contrary to Monaghan's earlier statements, the town will not restrict cable television programming.

Marinelli said the town, expected to attract 25,000 residents, will offer affordable and extravagant housing, including seven different communities for groups from seniors to young families.

"We're just trying to create an environment where children will be safe on the streets, where they can ride their bikes and play ball in the park," he said. "We're truly just trying to create a town with traditional values."
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2006, 04:30:00 PM »
I recently read that Florida will be getting a much smaller cross built on this new campus versus the 250 ft cross he wanted to put on his property in Michigan.

Whatever his quirks may be, I think Michigan made a mistake by driving him to Florida. Our economy is going to shit and building a new college could have helped us.
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2006, 04:33:00 PM »
I wonder how a Catholic priest counsels couples who really have a hard time with the birth control issue.  I mean, what are they going to say to someone who has 3 or 4 kids, can't really afford to keep churning them out or doesn't want to add to the population explosion or one of the other multitude of important reasons to use birth control?

I wasn't raised with much exposure to religion and I really have a hard time comprehending some of the arbitrary or obsolete rules.
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2006, 04:43:00 PM »
I just went back to bed and thought to myself "WTF was I thinking" on saying Michigan made a mistake driving him away.

When I think about this issue even more it goes beyond economic gains and losses. I'm not comfortable with Michigan having an elistist community that only pretends to let the "outsiders" in. It's another form of segregation.

Forgive me for my last reply as I'm worried about the state of Michigan's economy right now.
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2006, 04:54:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-03 13:33:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I wonder how a Catholic priest counsels couples who really have a hard time with the birth control issue.  I mean, what are they going to say to someone who has 3 or 4 kids, can't really afford to keep churning them out or doesn't want to add to the population explosion or one of the other multitude of important reasons to use birth control?



I wasn't raised with much exposure to religion and I really have a hard time comprehending some of the arbitrary or obsolete rules.  "


I believe The Rhythm Method:
http://www.sexinfo101.com/bc_rhythm.shtml

I'm not a participant in organized religion, but I will say where I live the Catholic Church does A LOT to help those in need.

I have noticed other denominations speak against birth control and abortion yet offer no help to anyone outside their inner circle.

If someone ever finds themselves in need I suggest seeking a Catholic Church before any others. I have found they will help with no judegements passed.
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