Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Daytop Village
Swan Lake 86-87 by Savage
Anonymous:
I'm sure they didn't last. Anyone with ACTUAL credentials as a counselor would recognize the kind of crap Daytop dishes out as nothing more than cultish rhetoric.
You're outwitted, outclassed and outdone. :wave:
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---On 2006-02-21 12:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm sure they didn't last. Anyone with ACTUAL credentials as a counselor would recognize the kind of crap Daytop dishes out as nothing more than cultish rhetoric.
You're outwitted, outclassed and outdone. :wave: "
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That's spot on accurate. Anybody with a degree and/or an ounce of professionalism left Daytop very quickly. There's no science to their method. Not even junk science.
From the perspective of professional mental health care, the Daytop program is absolutely worthless for anything except fostering dependence upon itself and creating "lifelong junkies" incapable of meaningful personal change.
I watched people there that began as counselors by graduating the program and were completely vested in its methods. Some later went on to get an education in mental health. The ones that became properly educated left immediately because they were exposed to facts about mental hygiene that they quickly realized were diametrically opposed to Daytop's dogma.
The bottom line is that if one understands the ethical responsibility of a mental health provider, one cannot philosophically justify employment at Daytop. It's really that simple. Only uneducated unprofessional hacks espouse Daytop's methodology. They quite simply don't know any better (like this dummy, the "original poster").
If ignorance is bliss, the "original poster" is a very happy fellow.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---You cant stand the fact that daytop works
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ANYTHING that is ethical and humane and that reduces people's suffering I would support wholeheartedly.
If, in fact, Daytop did work (which it doesn't and has been proven not to), I would support it as well.
What you are saying is that I, someone who devoted my resources to become educated and worked in a helping profession, would "hate" someone being helped. It just doesn't get any more idiotic than that.
odie:
--- Quote ---On 2006-02-21 12:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
" Hip me to the facts of what? You cant stand the fact that daytop works and you spent however much money time effort on your degree to be a "counselor" I was NEVER abused once ever. And yeah there were 2 or 3 "counselors" that came in with degrees in the time I was there none of them lasted more then a month which is typical its like sending Lebron James to go play for the New York Rangers. Aint gonna work. "
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As a counselor with Daytop for over 10 years I have witnessed first hand the abuse handed out by staff members. I have seen first hand the abuse by senior staff on educated professionals. The one thing that Daytop has is a never ending wealth of residents that become staff and are blinded by misguided loyalty. The problem with recovering staff has always been the same. They are petrified by the knowledge of professional staff. It is only the few like myself that actually did the foot work and gained the same education that the professional staff have that have prospered in life.
All contemporary religions and churches, all and every kind of religious organization, Marxism has always viewed as organs of bourgeois reaction, serving as a defense of exploitation and the doping of the working-classes.
--Nikolai Lenin, Russian revolutionary
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odie:
Funny how everyone seems to attack DJ but they shy away from me. Can it be that I know the truth about Daytop? To the baghead who says he was never abused at Daytop I say either you lived in a bubble or didn't realize how abused you were. My first hand knowledge from both the view of a resident and a staff member spans the years 1988-2000. I worked in 6 different facilities in that time, both adult and adolescent. I've read a lot of the abuse on here handed down by Frank Lanza but I know facts about situations that make Frank look like a choirboy. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong but the facts remain and nobody will.
We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.
-- Ben Franklin At the signing of the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776.
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