Author Topic: Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*  (Read 21651 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2006, 08:52:00 AM »
Quote
On 2006-02-14 20:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"let's see, do you have all of the facts? Do you know if the kid had any undetected medical conditions before going to the camp? Do you know if the toxicology tests revealed he had taken any drugs, especially narcotics, prior to going to the camp?



Have you seen the video? Have you talked to witnesses?



Yes, it is a tragedy. Was it the fault of the guards? Maybe, maybe not. We just do not know yet.



HOWEVER, what you fail to mention and the public and news media fail to mention is that these are not little angels that are at these bootcamps. These are kids who are travelling down the wrong path, committing serious felonies and have burgeoning criminal careers ahead of them. They are heading toward a life of going into and getting out of prison. The boot camps have a better success rate considering recidivism than simple incarceration.



Getting back to this case, until you have all the facts, if you make a decision than YOU are an idiot."


Is TheWho posting anon? Sounds so familiar.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =30#158009
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Deborah

  • Posts: 5383
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2006, 09:19:00 AM »
Teen lost his chance to finish turnaround
A teenager sentenced to boot camp was thriving at school, respectful at work, and - before the joyride - finally on track.
By ABBIE VANSICKLE and ALEX LEARY
Published February 12, 2006

-----------------------------------------------
 
[AP photo]
Robert Anderson stands by his son's grave Thursday in Panama City. Martin wanted to play basketball and go to college, his parents say. Martin Lee Anderson, 14, died Jan. 6.
------------------------------------------------

PANAMA CITY - Martin Lee Anderson struggled at school, so his parents sent him to the Emerald Bay Academy, a school that specializes in underperforming kids.

Martin thrived. He excelled at math. He won a leadership award. He bested his classmates at chess.

"He was a well-liked young man," principal Joe Bullock said. "He did not create problems or disruptions in class."

But just as everything finally seemed to be going right, Martin's young life fell apart.

Martin was charged with grand theft after he and a few friends took his grandmother's car on a joyride.

On Jan. 5, the 14-year-old Panama City teen collapsed during his first day at a boot camp run by the Bay County Sheriff's Office and the state Department of Juvenile Justice. He died at a Pensacola hospital.

Martin's death has brought attention to Juvenile Justice's boot camps and provided critics a prime example of what they consider the system's failings.

Last week, two legislators claimed that a video of Martin's final hours shows several drill instructors beating him in the boot camp's yard. The tape, which has not yet been made available to the public or Martin's family, so infuriated state Rep. Gus Barreiro, R-Miami Beach, that he compared it to the Rodney King beating.

That comparison angered Bay County Sheriff Frank McKeithen, who called the legislators "loose cannons" who had done nothing but "add fuel to an already volatile situation."

* * *

Martin was born to Rober t Anderson and Gina Jones on Jan. 15, 1991. He lived in a tidy yellow house with green trim on Seventh Street with his mother and his sister, 13-year-old Startavia. His father and other family lived nearby.

Martin grew into a lanky teen who loved basketball, Archie comic books and Xbox. He never lacked for friends and was a leader among the neighborhood youth and at school. He wanted to play basketball and go to college, his parents say. He told his father he would like to drive a truck.

A poster of rapper Lil' Wayne is taped to his bedroom door. A phone next to his bunk bed still has his voice on the answering machine. A framed letter from a class assignment in November sits near one wall.

"I am like a shining star in the world," it reads in his tight, small cursive.

Martin begged his mother to let him get a part-time job at a Burger King in a convenience store on 23rd Street. He had wanted to earn extra money for shoes, a cell phone and to buy pizza and hot wings, she said. She relented, letting him work a few days a week.

"He worked harder than I've ever seen any 14-year-old do," said co-worker Debra Adams, 40. Martin often worked the early morning shift on weekends, something a less responsible teen couldn't have handled, she said. He regularly started those shifts between 7 and 8 a.m., she said.

He treated customers and employees with respect, addressing them as "Miss" and "Mister."

The idea of Martin acting up at the boot camp doesn't sit right with Adams. "I just can't see why they would have to restrain Martin," she said.

"He might have made one mistake, but he didn't deserve to die," she said.

That mistake was swiping his grandmother's car in June during church. While she sat near the front of the sanctuary, Martin, his sister and several friends slipped out of church and drove off. Their escapade ended when the car struck a pole.

Several months later, Martin broke his court-imposed curfew, and a judge ordered him to a boot camp, Jones said.

The family chose the local boot camp because it was only a few minutes' drive from their home. Shortly before he started his assignment, Martin and his mother met with a drill instructor. That's when Jones began to get a bad feeling, she said.

The instructor accused her son of being a gang member, she said.

"He said, "When you come in my house, you're on my rules,"' recalled Jones, 36.

On the day she dropped him off at the camp, they shared a final embrace. "He said, "I love you,' and the way he said it, he knew something,"' Jones said.

The next time she saw Martin, he was in the hospital. Blood was running from his nose, and it looked broken, she said. His body had swollen so much that the 140-pound boy looked about 300 pounds, his father said.

Jones said the family wanted to donate his organs, but they were told they were too damaged.

"Certainly, the family believes there was trauma," said the family's attorney, Benjamin Crump of Tallahassee.

Just what happened in the hours Martin spent at the boot camp, a single-story brick compound enclosed in a razor-wire topped fence, isn't yet clear.

Typically, a new arrival undergoes an evaluation by a nurse, a physical fitness assessment and an introduction to behavioral expectations by drill instructors, according to sheriff's spokeswoman Ruth Sasser. Some drill instructors are sworn law enforcement officers, she said, but it's not a requirement for the job. The exercise requirements and procedures are nothing out of the ordinary, Sasser said.

"It's very typical of any boot camp," she said.

That may be the problem, said Barreiro.

* * *

Boot camps arose in the mid 1980s as tough-on-crime attitudes swept national politics. In 1987, as Florida prisons began to overflow, then-Gov. Bob Martinez signed a bill creating the camps. The first one opened in Manatee County in 1993. Boys in blue prison uniforms ran obstacle courses, marched in the sun and shouted chants.

"I used to live a life of crime. Now I'm doing boot camp time," one went.

But critics arose almost immediately, wondering if the flashy salutes, shiny shoes and dozens of push-ups in the dirt could reform young criminals. One scoffed that all it would produce was a "well-conditioned mugger."

By 1995, lawmakers were revisiting the idea in light of poor performance reports. One study found three out of four recruits at the Manatee camp were re-arrested within a year of release. Another study in 1998 found 87 percent of graduates from Broward County's now-defunct camp had been re-arrested. Today, five boot camps exist in Bay, Manatee, Martin, Pinellas and Polk counties, serving 197 youths. They must stay for at least four months, but most stay six.

Barreiro has emerged as the most vocal critic, arguing that camps are failures built on intimidation and abuse. One of his central points is that recent reforms in Florida calling for less aggressive tactics with youthful offenders did not apply to boot camps.

"The DJJ has known for years that boot camps didn't have to meet the same standards," he said. "Why does it take a death to show that's a problem?"

Barreiro called for their end after Martin's death in January but it was not until the video became known that his cause took hold, drawing national media attention.

"They are dangerous, they don't change behavior and they cost a lot of money," he said.

There has been one other death at a Florida camp. In 1998, 16-year-old Chad Franza hanged himself at the Polk County facility. His parents won settlements from the county, the Department of Juvenile Justice and the camp's private health care provider.

Though advocates still back the camps, additional research and recidivism studies aid Barreiro. The Department of Juvenile Justice's records show that 62 percent of graduates are re-arrested, a rate experts call high.

"They're simply not effective," said Aaron McNeese, a Florida State University dean who has studied boot camps. "Everybody equates boot camp with getting tough. Whether it works or not, it looks good."

Backed by the video, Barreiro heads with confidence into Wednesday's meeting of the House Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee. He scheduled a workshop to discuss the camps and whether they deserve continued funding.

It promises to be a heated meeting. One former sheriff, Pinellas' Everett Rice, is now a lawmaker on the committee. Stressing he had not seen the video, Rice said, "I don't think we should throw everything out just because of one incident. I think they have been successful programs."

Perhaps a greater obstacle is Barreiro's counterpart in the Senate, Stephen Wise of Jacksonville, who has said he supports the programs.

"Every once in a while something happens," Wise said recently. "It happens in prisons. It happens in real life, too. It's a shame. We just have to make sure we try to fix it."

* * *

Jones is tortured by the thought of her son's final hours. The day she took him to the boot camp, his face looked as if he had been crying, she said.

She told him she had been crying, too.

It was okay to cry, she said, and promised they would see each other again soon.

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/12/State ... nce_.shtml
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

Offline Deborah

  • Posts: 5383
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2006, 09:59:00 AM »
I wrote yesterday about a 14-year-old kid who died at a "boot camp" in Florida when he was beaten for "not following orders" by guards. Two state representatives, one a Democrat and one a Republican, viewed the videotape of the incident and were appalled at the treatment, describing the victim as thrown around "like a rag doll," and that what they saw was ''brutal,'' ''disturbing'' and ''heinous.''

The police department is upset that they're making such a fuss:

A North Florida sheriff called two Miami-Dade legislators ''loose cannons'' Thursday for publicly describing a videotape allegedly showing deputies beating a 14-year-old boy who died hours later.

Bay County Sheriff Frank McKeithen, whose office runs the juvenile boot camp in which the incident occurred, said the two lawmakers ``overreacted, and as a result we could all suffer the consequences.''

''Inaccurate statements by both representatives have done nothing but add fuel to an already volatile situation,'' McKeithen said in a short, written statement. ``I humbly ask the public to let officials do their job, complete the investigation and then make a decision based on facts, not the comments of loose cannon politicians.''

Sheriff, you've got a corpse on your hands, and it's the people who saw what your men did who "overreacted"? Now you're afraid to "suffer the consequences"? You want a decision "based on facts"? Well okay, here's one: the kid's organs were so damaged, his mother couldn't even donate them for transplant.

http://www.blah3.com/article1564.html
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2006, 10:44:00 AM »
Any excuse to coverup at all, huh?  :roll:

Utterly amazing how the people who hold us accountable want nothing to do with being held accountable themselves.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Deborah

  • Posts: 5383
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2006, 11:50:00 AM »
Frank McKeithen
http://www.bayso.org/

2003- Present (Appointed Sheriff of Bay County) by Florida Governor Jeb Bush.
http://bay.perfectvote.com/candidate.asp?idnum=141

The offenders must be 14 to 18 years of age, must be adjudicated by the court and must have committed at least one third degree felony.
The objective of the Boot Camp program is to condition the juvenile both physically and mentally in an attempt to allow them to handle life without committing further criminal acts.
It is a paramilitary program designed to teach self respect, discipline, high self-esteem and motivation.  
[We find physical force, beating, choking to be highly effective.]
http://www.bayso.org/bootcamp.htm

Republican, no surprise
http://gray.ftp.clickability.com/wtvywe ... t1102x.htm

Hernandez came to Panama City from parts unknown in the late 80's and his first job was with Dixie Mafia Boss, developer Charles Faircloth at Continental Fisheries, Ltd, a Marifarms operation that raised shrimp and had operations in Nicaragua and Honduras as well as off the Coast of Africa. In the early 70's Marifarms fenced off a major portion of West Bay and was a hot environmental issue itself.
Faircloth is a major developer of high rise million dollar condo's and was one of the very first such developers in Panama City, Florida. Her is also a major backer of newly elected Bay County Sheriff, Frank McKeithen. Faircloth's business associates include Charles L. Hitlon another Dixie Mafia figure, who is business partners with another New Jersey native, Florida House Speaker Alan Bense.....
http://www.insider-magazine.com/DEPYonstory.html

Files Wide Shut
By Anthony Cormier
News Herald Writer
They wanted names and reasons.
They asked for phone numbers, addresses, driver?s licenses and signatures. They said to come back with lawyers, with subpoenas, with better answers and at better times.
They interrogated. They balked. They scoffed.
About 75 percent of the time, they did not follow the law. Government, school district and law enforcement offices in seven Panhandle counties routinely violated Florida?s Sunshine Law during a two-week audit conducted last month by The News Herald.
Of the 47 agencies tested by reporters, 22 failed to produce documents and 13 others skirted the law by requiring names, reasons or written requests in exchange for public records.
Reporters, who did not identify themselves as such, visited county offices, school districts, sheriff?s offices, city halls and police departments in Bay, Calhoun, Franklin, Gulf, Holmes, Jackson and Washington counties. At law enforcement agencies, reporters asked for a single day?s worth of incident reports. At government and school district offices, reporters requested to view specific personnel files....
?Basically,? Sasser said, ?(McKeithen) believes that the Sunshine Laws are complicated. It would be his opinion that if anybody made a mistake, it was an honest mistake. They weren?t doing it intentionally, to hide anything. It?s very complicated knowing all these public record laws.?
http://www.fsne.org/sunshine2005/news/p ... ndex.shtml

So, where is the most awesome Party for the President in the country going to be on September 2, 2004? Right here in Bay County, Florida!!! This will be the third Party for the President hosted by the Bay County Young Republicans, and it will be the best!
http://www.rpobc.org/YR_9-2_Party.html

A federal program allows police agencies nationwide to equip themselves like the military, but with little training and not much oversight. An analysis in Florida shows a stockpile of unused weapons and overarmed communities.
"We use them just like pistols - when we need them," said Gulf Sheriff Frank McKeithen, who keeps an M-16 in a locked gun rack behind his desk. "Because of the way the bad guys are armed, you really don't know when you're going to use them."
http://www.sptimes.com/Channel10/2003/0 ... T__For.htm

September 12, 2004 News Herald
I will not second-guess the command decision to utilize deadly force when SWAT members stormed the Bay County jail. I will let an objective and comprehensive afteraction investigation review those facts. There are, however, several initial items which warrant complete review. As a retired associate warden with the Federal Bureau of Prisons (22½ years), I?ve had some experience in these matters. First, was there a clear chain of command? Who was "calling the shots" regarding the negotiations ? Bay County Officials or Corrections Corporation of America?s warden of the site? Second, was there a public information officer designated to speak on all matters to the media? Negotiators usually never speak to the media during negotiations as Sheriff Frank McKeithen did. Third, I read where a door would not lock and the staff panic-button alarm system malfunctioned. These issues are inexcusable. Security conditions (cell locking mechanisms, staff emergency equipment, etc.) must be checked each shift ? daily ? and when found inoperative fixed immediately, or replaced with functioning equipment. Fourthly, how could inmates access controlled medications? Facilities are required to have these items safely secured (behind a grille in a safe) and available for immediate disposal through a chute in event of an emergency. Finally, who?s overseeing CCA?s compliance with contractual requirements, correctional personnel and jail standards, and regulations? Many important issues must be addressed through an objective post-incident investigation team. Accountability for incompetence must be made. By Fred Apple. The writer, who helped run federal prisons in Minnesota, now is retired and lives in Panama City.
More at Florida's Hall of Shame:
http://www.flpba.org/private/florida.htm
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2006, 09:04:00 AM »
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13883103.htm

IN MY OPINION
Boot camps for kids should be given the boot
BY FRED GRIMM [email protected]

Failure doesn't matter.

We've known for years that a kid like Martin Lee Anderson, if he had survived his six-month lock-up at the Bay County boot camp, was more likely than not to get into more trouble.

Depending on the study, from 64 to 75 percent of the kids graduating from boot camp lock-ups are re-arrested within a year.

Boot camps are failed concepts.

If the survival of these uber-tough military-style detention programs had depended on actual performance, the Bay County boot camp would have been shuttered long before young Anderson was busted for joy riding in his granny's car.
He collapsed and died on Jan. 6 after a few horrific hours at the camp. At least he won't be around to add to its abysmal recidivism rate.
If not for Martin's death, no one would be talking about Florida's boot camps. A brutal beating and a dead 14-year-old gets attention. A program's long-term failure to rehab three-fourths of its inmates doesn't matter.
Failure simply isn't a deal breaker when it comes to crime-fighting programs. We pay $40 billion to $50 billion a year to sustain our decades-long War on Drugs.


Meanwhile, the street price of coke, the most reliable market indicator of our success in limiting supply, has dropped from $500 a gram in the early 1980s to less than $170. In 2004, we spent $5 billion spraying herbicide on Latin American cocoa leaves. Production went up.

But failure has no bearing on the political popularity of anti-crime programs. No one would dare redirect those billions into softy concepts that lack military terminology or get-tough promises.

WASTE OF TIME
''Why do we still have the DARE [Drug Abuse Resistence Education] program in schools after 20 years when everybody knows it's a waste of time and money?'' asked Aaron McNeece, dean of the Florida State University College of Social Work. It was a rhetorical question. McNeece knows that symbolic solutions to crime count more than results. The DARE program, putting uniformed police officers in classrooms to warn against drugs, has been an especially resilient failure.
In 2001 the U.S. Surgeon General reported that studies of the DARE program ``consistently show little or no deterrent effects on substance use.''
The next year, National Academy of Sciences slammed DARE. The GAO reported ``no significant differences in illicit drug use between students who received DARE and students who did not.''
Three-strikes-and-you're-out may be a popular sentencing regime among politicians. Three strikes against DARE didn't matter.

Boot camps evolved from Scared Straight, the original shock-the-kids program based on the assumption that taking children on tours of jails would scare them into lawful behavior. Scared Straight didn't work. Failure didn't matter. It just inspired the next step in shock therapy.

WIDE APPEAL
''Boot camps appealed to everybody,'' said Jeanne B. Stinchcomb, a professor of criminology and criminal justice at Florida Atlantic University. She published a paper last year in the Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, entitled, tellingly, From Optimistic Policies to Pessimistic Outcomes: Why Won't Boot Camps either Succeed Pragmatically or Succumb Politically?

She said conservatives liked the get-tough image. Liberals liked an alternative to prison. Boot camps were cheap to operate. The idea simply had too many powerful stakeholders for failure to matter.

And the public, Stinchcomb said, embraced boot camps with an ''intuitive faith'' that this was the quick fix for juvenile crime. Everyone loved the images of ''little urban wretches'' marching around like soldiers.

Oh, how we love to combat crime with military metaphors. Unless some brave political leader declares a War on Useless Policies, the failures just won't matter.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2006, 09:32:00 AM »
Click Here for Story

Parents turn up heat in boot-camp death
The boy's mom calls it murder. Legislators and the NAACP demand answers.

TALLAHASSEE -- The mother of a 14-year-old boy said Wednesday that her son was "murdered" by guards at a Bay County boot camp for juvenile offenders.

Bay County sheriff's spokeswoman Ruth Sasser would not comment because of the ongoing investigation into the Jan. 6 death of Martin Lee Anderson. The Sheriff's Office has said the boy was restrained after he became uncooperative.

The boy's parents joined lawmakers and NAACP spokesman Anthony Viegbesie at a news conference where before-and-after photos of the boy were shown -- one a smiling, skinny kid and the other a bloated version of the boy in his casket.

"My baby was murdered," said Gina Jones, his mother. "Don't let my baby's death be in vain."

"Why would a grown man do this to a 14-year-old boy?" father Robert Anderson asked. "I want some answers."

Also Wednesday, the Legislature's black caucus urged the head of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to remove himself from the investigation because he previously was Bay County sheriff.

But Gov. Jeb Bush said he remained confident in FDLE Commissioner Guy Tunnell.

Some legislators, however, weren't as confident in the investigation that has already stretched over about six weeks. Law-enforcement authorities have resisted legal efforts by news organizations and others to release to the public a videotape that lawmakers said shows the boy being beaten.

Lawmakers and the NAACP also called for the arrest of those involved and asked Bush to appoint a special prosecutor.

"It's tragic, but to shut down the boot camps or to have a special prosecutor without having seen the investigation and seeing what needs to be done I think is a little premature," Bush responded.

The Associated Press obtained copies of memos Wednesday from Bay County Sheriff Frank McKeithen that ordered drill instructors to stop using ammonia capsules on teens suspected of faking unconsciousness. They were written the day Martin died.

An attorney for the Anderson family, Ben Crump, said the guards forced ammonia tablets up the boy's nose in efforts to keep him conscious. Exposure to ammonia can cause eye irritation, coughing, lung damage and even death in high enough concentrations.

The Florida State Conference of the NAACP also said it was filing an injunction seeking release of the videotape that has been seen by some of the governor's aides and at least two state House members.

Viegbesie said the organization also would ask the U.S. Justice Department to investigate whether Martin's civil rights were violated.

Meanwhile, Department of Juvenile Justice officials were grilled Wednesday by a House committee looking for answers on the recent rash of deaths in Florida boot camps. Three teenagers have died in state custody in the past three years.

A Florida State University criminology professor told the House Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee that a national study on boot camps indicates they don't prevent children from becoming repeat offenders and don't make financial sense.

"If they're not working, get rid of them," professor Thomas Blomberg said.

The boot-camp concept in Florida began in 1983 with nine facilities but will soon be whittled to four when a Martin County camp closes later this year. About 600 boys ages 14 to 18 remain in the existing camps.
[ This Message was edited by: Eudora on 2006-02-17 08:55 ]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2006, 09:39:00 AM »
Quote
On 2006-02-16 06:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
 

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13883103.htm

 
But failure has no bearing on the political popularity of anti-crime programs. No one would dare redirect those billions into softy concepts that lack military terminology or get-tough promises.



WASTE OF TIME

''Why do we still have the DARE [Drug Abuse Resistence Education] program in schools after 20 years when everybody knows it's a waste of time and money?'' asked Aaron McNeece, dean of the Florida State University College of Social Work. It was a rhetorical question. McNeece knows that symbolic solutions to crime count more than results. The DARE program, putting uniformed police officers in classrooms to warn against drugs, has been an especially resilient failure.

In 2001 the U.S. Surgeon General reported that studies of the DARE program ``consistently show little or no deterrent effects on substance use.''

The next year, National Academy of Sciences slammed DARE. The GAO reported ``no significant differences in illicit drug use between students who received DARE and students who did not.''

Three-strikes-and-you're-out may be a popular sentencing regime among politicians. Three strikes against DARE didn't matter.



Boot camps evolved from Scared Straight, the original shock-the-kids program based on the assumption that taking children on tours of jails would scare them into lawful behavior. Scared Straight didn't work. Failure didn't matter. It just inspired the next step in shock therapy.



WIDE APPEAL

''Boot camps appealed to everybody,'' said Jeanne B. Stinchcomb, a professor of criminology and criminal justice at Florida Atlantic University. She published a paper last year in the Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, entitled, tellingly, From Optimistic Policies to Pessimistic Outcomes: Why Won't Boot Camps either Succeed Pragmatically or Succumb Politically?



She said conservatives liked the get-tough image. Liberals liked an alternative to prison. Boot camps were cheap to operate. The idea simply had too many powerful stakeholders for failure to matter.



And the public, Stinchcomb said, embraced boot camps with an ''intuitive faith'' that this was the quick fix for juvenile crime. Everyone loved the images of ''little urban wretches'' marching around like soldiers.



Oh, how we love to combat crime with military metaphors. Unless some brave political leader declares a War on Useless Policies, the failures just won't matter.

"


Wow.  I think this is the most important point to be made out of all of this.  I hope everyone really reads and understands this.  It explains a whole lot of why these places came about and why they continue to exist.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Deborah

  • Posts: 5383
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2006, 10:48:00 AM »
I've only started looking at Tunnell, and it doesn't look good so far:

The boot camp was built by Tunnell when he was sheriff of Bay County. Tunnell promoted many of those in charge. And now he's head of the agency investigating the teen's death.

In his statement Thursday, Tunnell said ``the video is evidence gathered as part of FDLE's investigation. Since the investigation is active, the video is exempt from public disclosure.''

Guy M. Tunnell was appointed Commissioner of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement on August 26, 2003, by Governor Bush and members of the Cabinet.  His term began October 1, 2003.
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/about_fdle/tunnell_bio.html

DFAF Advisory Board
http://www.dfaf.org/about/advisoryboard.php

Contributor to McKeithen?s campaign
$100-$499 contributions:
http://election.emeraldcoast.com/articl ... php?id=113

Investigates Voter Fraud
?While we conduct this investigation, we are mindful that our number one priority will be to protect the rights of those individuals that are eligible to vote, and allow them the opportunity to do so,? said FDLE Commissioner Guy Tunnell. ?Our agents will do nothing that will impede or hinder that process.?
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:iPM ... clnk&cd=12
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2006, 01:38:00 PM »
Quote
On 2006-02-15 05:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-02-14 20:52:00, Anonymous wrote:


"let's see, do you have all of the facts? Do you know if the kid had any undetected medical conditions before going to the camp? Do you know if the toxicology tests revealed he had taken any drugs, especially narcotics, prior to going to the camp?





Have you seen the video? Have you talked to witnesses?





Yes, it is a tragedy. Was it the fault of the guards? Maybe, maybe not. We just do not know yet.





HOWEVER, what you fail to mention and the public and news media fail to mention is that these are not little angels that are at these bootcamps. These are kids who are travelling down the wrong path, committing serious felonies and have burgeoning criminal careers ahead of them. They are heading toward a life of going into and getting out of prison. The boot camps have a better success rate considering recidivism than simple incarceration.





Getting back to this case, until you have all the facts, if you make a decision than YOU are an idiot."




Is TheWho posting anon? Sounds so familiar.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =30#158009

"


That thread is worth a reread to see how this asshole continuously supports and defends ANY program no matter what.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2006, 01:39:00 PM »
Quote
On 2006-02-16 10:38:00, Anonymous wrote:



Is TheWho posting anon? Sounds so familiar.


 http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =30#158009


"


That thread
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Deborah

  • Posts: 5383
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2006, 11:39:00 PM »
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=9&5

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185172,00.html

PANAMA CITY, Fla. ? A teenager who was beaten by guards in a state-run boot camp for juvenile delinquents died from internal bleeding caused by a blood disorder, not from injuries he may have suffered in the beating, a medical examiner reported Thursday.

Martin Lee Anderson suffered from sickle cell trait, which caused his red blood cells to change shape and produce "a whole cascade of events that led to bleeding and hemorrhaging," said Bay County Medical Examiner Dr. Charles Siebert.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2006, 10:47:00 AM »
Quote
On 2006-02-16 06:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

" http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13883103.htm



IN MY OPINION

Boot camps for kids should be given the boot

BY FRED GRIMM http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#172848
On 2006-02-13 01:55:00, Eudora wrote:

"Well that didn't take long! First hit from google on '"Everet Rice" dfaf' turned up a quote from and a link to this:



Quote

MCTFT, Betty Sembler and Sheriff Rice The Multijurisdictional Counterdrug Task Force Training Office (MCTFT) trains law enforcement and military personnel in state, federal and local governments in America, and police and military officials in other countries throughout the entire world in combating the War on Drugs. The MCTFT is run by the US military through its mighty fighting agent--The Florida National Guard! Prominent on its advisory board is Betty Sembler, President, Drug Free America Foundation, James T. Moore, Commissioner, FDLE (Florida's state police), who has already teamed-up with Betty on at least one initiative and who is on the advisory board for DFAF, Mr. James McDonough, Director, Office Drug Control State of Florida who also sits on the Advisory Board of DFAF, Major General Ronald O. Harrison, Adjutant General of Florida (their national guard) and Sheriff Everett S. Rice, Pinellas County Sheriff's Office. The chairman of the advisory board is Captain Donald R. Martin, head of the training academy for the Virginia State Police. (The Virginia State Police has been a big financial supporter of the Straight-linked PANDAA organization.) MCTFT is headquartered at St. Petersburg College which was just a junior college when the agency was first located near Betty. In by-gone days we at the Oakton Institute have been openly critical of the US government's decision to host a federal program with international reach at a mere junior college. There is good reason to believe that that decision had been influenced because of MCTFT's ties to to America's First Family of the War on Drugs, Mel and Betty Sembler. In 2001 Florida state Senator Donald C. Sullivan (formerly secretary of Straight Foundation) proposed a bill to make Saint Petersburg Junior College a full-fledged university which subsequently it has become. Charlie Crist who is now Florida's attorney general played a role in the renaming too. It is now Saint Petersburg College and University Center. See more here.



 http://thestraights.com/articles/bradbury-suit.htm




Who was that other guy? Oh yeah, Stephen Wise, Senator from Jacksonville. Who wants to bet he ran on the Green Party ticket?  

If you believe that people cannot be trusted to govern themselves,
then can they be trusted to govern others?
 
--Thomas Jefferson


"
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2006, 08:58:00 PM »
More from Fred Grimm

Is beating kids at boot camp all in a day's work?

BY FRED GRIMM [email protected]

Try this with your kid at home. See what happens.
Pummel him. Kick him off his feet. Hold him down. Stick a knee in his back. Jerk his head backward. Stick a forearm in his throat. Punch him. Bloody his face. Cram a vial of ammonia up his nose.
Continue the abuse even after the child appears to have lapsed into unconsciousness. Ignore his obvious physical distress.

Do it knowing that a video camera is recording the incident, blow by blow. Do it as if brutalizing a child is just part of your daily routine.

Then, when the kid dies, see what happens.
You know what happens. You're arrested. You go to jail to await trial, which may be the safest place in the community given the public outrage over the death of a physically abused child.

DIFFERENT RULES
But kill a kid in a Florida boot camp, standards change.

Thirty-nine days after Martin Lee Anderson's death, other juveniles are still incarcerated at the boot camp run by the Bay County sheriff.
None of the half-dozen officers who introduced the 14-year-old boy to the camp's regime of physical abuse have been suspended. They're still at work, tending to other children.

When a cop uses deadly force, no matter how necessary, if he takes down a mass murderer on a mad shooting spree, the officer is taken off the streets while the department investigates.
Guards at juvenile boot camp operate in another universe, unshackled by the rules governing other juvenile lockups, or even prisons for adults offenders.

STUNNING VIDEO
The staff at the Panama City camp has thus far avoided even a public reprimand from their boss. Rather, Sheriff Frank McKeithen's harsh words have been aimed at two state representatives from South Florida.

Reps. Gus Barreiro and Dan Gelber, both members of the Juvenile Justice Appropriations Committee, watched the Jan. 6 boot camp video of a half-dozen guards roughing up young Anderson and told reporters they were stunned by what they saw.
Sheriff McKeithen struck back immediately. He released a statement calling Barreiro and Gelber ''loose- cannon politicians,'' whose words were ''irresponsible, premature and incorrect,'' as if these two meddling outsiders had embellished the entire episode. Except a kid died at the sheriff's boot camp. No exaggeration there. Barreiro suggested Monday that maybe that bothersome fact ought to top the list of the sheriff's concerns.

The Republican Barreiro stuck by his graphic description of the tape, so disturbing, so surreal, he said that he felt like screaming at the TV, ``Enough is enough. Leave the kid alone.''

JUST A JOB
For a so-called loose cannon, Rep. Gelber spoke Monday with considerable restraint and measured words. The Democrat made it clear that he was not some let-'em-go liberal, out to crucify law officers, but a former prosecutor, the son of a prosecutor who is married to a prosecutor, is a brother to a prosecutor and a brother-in-law to a prosecutor. What he saw on that tape was an institutional failure, a lack of training, a twisted protocol. ''But what I saw wasn't blood lust,'' he said.

In a way, Gelber said it was even more disturbing than an out-of-control melee. He saw guards who seemed to think they were carrying out their duties. And among their duties was administering an unmerciful ``attitude adjustment.''

Gelber noted that the guards knew a camera was capturing the incident on tape and they didn't bother to hide their gut-wrenching excesses, knocking a 14-year-old around in a way that would get a parent tossed in jail or a cop thrown off the force.

They went about pummeling Martin Lee Anderson as if they were just doing their job.

And those guards are still on the job.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Two 14yr-olds dead *Update*
« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2006, 09:03:00 PM »
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »