Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Did You Receive a Psychiatric Evaluation at HLA?
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---For instance, if a student called a teacher a "fucking bitch" because the teacher assigned an essay for homework. According to you, what is the most effective way of handling that?
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First, I'd say that one needs to "catch the kid being good." Praise and positive reinforcement are the best way to elicit desired behaviors.
Second, since your program is really all about behavior modification, why not listen to the experts on BM if you're going to employ it at your facility (not my recommendation)? I would say that after working in the BM field for ten years or more, you would be educated to one of the basic tenets of BM theory: The most effective, fastest, longest lasting way to extinguish any behavior is to ignore it.
That's not me saying it, that's the behaviorists. Dozens upon dozens of clinical trials have borne this out.
Conversely, it has been shown that punishment is only mildly effective at extinguishing behavior and its results only last as long as the punishment is applied consistently.
I also would add that even intermittent reinforcement of desired behavior is far more effective at producing desired behavior than punishment, even rigidly consistent, ever could be.
So, when punishment, even if applied with complete consistency (impossible outside of the laboratory) has only weak, fleeting results and positive reinforcement, even when applied only intermittently (obviously applies to the "real world" treatment environment), is proven lasting and effective, WHY THE HELL DON'T YOU USE IT?
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-02-07 15:38:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
The most effective, fastest, longest lasting way to extinguish any behavior is to ignore it.
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I would tend to agree w/ that. I tell my kid to do something or tell her now, she says "You suck!" I say "Yup, I do."
He who laughs lasts
--Crazy Mac
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odie:
First, I'd say that one needs to "catch the kid being good." Praise and positive reinforcement are the best way to elicit desired behaviors.
Wow I agree with DJ twice in one week :eek:
Now thats a great way to prevent a lot of negative behaviors but let me address the question of what to do with a kid that has a slip and calls a teacher a bitch.
So what if he does? Maybe she is one. If she has any clue as to what type of environment she has chosen to work in she needs to learn to deal with it. Her job would be to refer the incident to the kids counselor. Its a counseling issue and not one that should result in any type of immediate punishment. Any consequences to the kid's actions need to be agreed upon by the counselor and the kid. The teacher should have no input in consequences.
We must create an atmosphere where the crooked cop fears the honest cop, and not the other way around.
Frank Serpico
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Deborah:
I have to agree with what has been said. Say nothing or something like, ?Yeh the assignment is due tomorrow. The choice is yours. Turn something in for a grade or take a zero. If you need some help, I?m happy to assist.? The problem with programs and program parents is that they are more invested in kid?s success than the kid is. You think that you are making deep, lasting changes because the kid?s learn to ?act? to your liking? Because by the time they leave they are no longer calling their teacher a bitch?
A good counselor doesn?t take that stuff personally. Teachers shouldn?t either, or they?d be well advised to consider a different career. I perceive that as an indicator of the kid?s inner feelings. Punishing someone who is already hurt, angry, confused is not therapeutic. Are the inner feelings really important, or just the outward show of compliance?
If the situation allowed, I?d pull the kid aside and ask if he had some resentment toward me that he?d like to express- and let him go for it. My experience with kids (and most adults) is that they often resort to name calling and the use of expletives when they are distressed and/or they don?t feel their genuine complaints and feelings will be taken seriously. Emotions and rational thought are like oil and water. They don?t mix well. So if the kid has the opportunity to vent the feelings, they can almost always express what?s really bugging them. If being in such a cold, austere, clinical bubble is what?s bugging them, they might need to vent on a daily basis. I advised my son to find ways to vent that wouldn?t be punished. Like throwing a ball against a wall. Since his counselors were listening in, I?m sure his access to sports equipment was curtailed for some period of time.
I never once got the sense that the goal was to help my son explore and resolve resentment he held toward his dad and step-mom or about his placement, or unecessarily loosing two years of his life. It was clearly about shutting him down. Silencing his legitimate concerns and complaints. You know where that unexpressed resentment goes? Calling teachers bitches. Or it?s turned inward, manifesting in breaking their knuckles on a wall, cutting, excess use of alcohol and/or drugs, difficulty with trust and intimacy. You folks really should look more deeply at your ?successes?. You might be surprised at what you find.
RobertBruce:
Truth, first youre assuming you know who we are. Second youre assuming you are familiar with all of our backrounds. I can assure I recieved no testing before or during my placement at HLA.
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