Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Did You Receive a Psychiatric Evaluation at HLA?
odie:
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Excellent point.
I'd like to point out though that ODD is overused by nearly all of these places. It is overwhelmingly a disorder of children UNDER 10 YEARS of age, not teens.
Yes it is and very rarely is it a singular diagnosis, its usually secondary to an adhd diagnosis, again not diagnosed in teens. It just struck me as being odd that they would emphasise the ODD on its website
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Deborah:
--- Quote ---On 2006-02-07 07:52:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"That's fair. But, you have to realize that you are not going to find a specific test that tests just for ODD. A diagnosis for ODD is not that hard to put on someone based on the criteria of the DSM IV. Many teens would fall into that diagnosis if you wanted to push the issue. The psych testing is used more to help formulate treatment plans and often times to rule out what we do NOT need to work on. ODD type behavior is often times just surface behavior that is masking the true issue. That's why if you are going to have a kid go to a program like this, I want you to make sure it is one with all Masters Level counselors. If a program is merely looking at the ODD behaviors they are sorely missing the boat."
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What difference would it make if all the counselors are following the one-size-fits-all methods of the program?
I agree, that there is confusion, anger/ resentment underlying 'ODD'. And many times it is healthy indignation, albeit, not in their best interest, as it can land them in a program or worse.
How are those underlying issues addressed specifically? In my son's case, he was not allowed to talk about the resentment he felt toward his dad and step-mom. Or his confusion.
How does a kid resolve those 'issues' if speaking of them is labeled manipulation and punished? He would've done better back at home with his old therapist whose best advice was to tell him to imagine they were ants and smash them between his fingers. There is only so much outside 'help' can do when a child has extremely unreasonable and divested parents. Parents who hire a therapist to work up 'contracts' with their children and then don't hold up their end of the contract. Who's ODD in that situation? So the kid is punished for the shortcomings of the parent.
My son was dx/labeled on the spot, based on his father's complaints. Did anyone ask his dad what he might be doing to provoke such an antagonistic response? No. Did they 'teach' his dad a new way of communicating that might elicite a different response? No. They conditioned my son to 'avoid conflict' by keeping his thoughts and feelings to himself, to not challenge or question anything, to defer to authority. Surface discussion only. Nothing of importance or relevance that might cause his father discomfort. That is not the 'therapy' I would choose for myself or my son.
Do you have children, Truth?
Deborah:
POSITION STATEMENT
ON THE USE OF PHYSICAL ACTIVITY AS PUNISHMENT
By California Association for Health, Physical Education, Recreation and Dance (CAHPERD)
The California Association for Health, Physical Education, Recreation and Dance is committed to the development of positive attitudes toward activity and active lifestyle habits in children and adults.
One of the prime goals of physical education programs is to provide students with positive experiences which will motivate them to pursue and develop active lifestyles. CAHPERD supports the California Physical and Health Related Fitness Test and the objectives of teaching youth about the importance of fitness and active lifestyles to their health.
The practice of utilizing physical activity (running laps and doing calisthenics) as punishment develops student attitudes that are contrary to the stated objectives of CAHPERD.
Teachers do not punish children with reading and then expect them to develop a joy for reading. Neither should teachers punish with exercise and expect children to develop a love of activity.
Not only is the use of physical activity as punishment contrary to the philosophy of CAHPERD, it is illegal. The California State Education Code states that: "No person employed or engaged in a public school shall inflict, or cause to be inflicted corporal punishment upon a pupil" The Code defines corporal punishment as "the willful infliction of, or willfully causing the infliction of, physical pain in a pupil." Punishing a child with lap running or push-ups imposes both physical and mental stress on a person. The physical and psychological damage are immeasurable.
THEREFORE, CAHPERD takes a position opposing the use of any form of physical activity as punishment in school and recreational programs.
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A letter about exercise as punishment from Linda Carpenter, Ph.D., J.D., Professor, Department of Physical Education, Brooklyn College of the City University of New York to Bill Honig, Superintendent, California State Department of Education.
Dear Dr. Honig:
California's ban on the use of corporal punishment demonstrates the state's commitment to the future of its students.
However, if reports recently published in the Sacramento Bee correctly reflect the position of your office on the exclusion of exercise related punishment from the ban, I must express my grave concern over the wisdom used in reaching your decision.
One of the primary reasons for including physical education within the curriculum is that students will be able to obtain the skills and appreciation necessary for a lifetime involvement in the health-promoting aspects of exercise. This is laudable.
However, when teachers convert the same activity which they are trying to have students interpret as valuable to their lifelong health into a punishment, all positive pedagogical and logical principles have been abandoned. This is foolish, inappropriate and abusive to students.
Before your office continues to suggest or even condone such an abandonment of pedagogical and logical principles, I urge you to rethink your decision concerning the exclusion of exercise-related punishment from the corporal punishment ban.
Sincerely,
Linda Carpenter, Ph.D., J.D.
Professor
cc: Jordan Riak, PTAVE
HLA Truth:
I don't know who your son is, but want you are describing is the complete opposite of what I would want for a child at HLA. If you what you say is true, I am truly sorry that you had that experience. I feel the staff at HLA currently do a good job at looking at the family dynamics (all the parents, not just one)and the role that has played in the child having difficulties. Because of situations like yours, I have always felt that children should not be allowed to enroll in programs like this, unless both parents are in agreement of the placement. It just doesn't work otherwise.
HLA Truth:
--- Quote ---On 2006-02-07 12:39:00, Deborah wrote:
"
POSITION STATEMENT
ON THE USE OF PHYSICAL ACTIVITY AS PUNISHMENT
By California Association for Health, Physical Education, Recreation and Dance (CAHPERD)
The California Association for Health, Physical Education, Recreation and Dance is committed to the development of positive attitudes toward activity and active lifestyle habits in children and adults.
One of the prime goals of physical education programs is to provide students with positive experiences which will motivate them to pursue and develop active lifestyles. CAHPERD supports the California Physical and Health Related Fitness Test and the objectives of teaching youth about the importance of fitness and active lifestyles to their health.
The practice of utilizing physical activity (running laps and doing calisthenics) as punishment develops student attitudes that are contrary to the stated objectives of CAHPERD.
Teachers do not punish children with reading and then expect them to develop a joy for reading. Neither should teachers punish with exercise and expect children to develop a love of activity.
Not only is the use of physical activity as punishment contrary to the philosophy of CAHPERD, it is illegal. The California State Education Code states that: "No person employed or engaged in a public school shall inflict, or cause to be inflicted corporal punishment upon a pupil" The Code defines corporal punishment as "the willful infliction of, or willfully causing the infliction of, physical pain in a pupil." Punishing a child with lap running or push-ups imposes both physical and mental stress on a person. The physical and psychological damage are immeasurable.
THEREFORE, CAHPERD takes a position opposing the use of any form of physical activity as punishment in school and recreational programs.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
A letter about exercise as punishment from Linda Carpenter, Ph.D., J.D., Professor, Department of Physical Education, Brooklyn College of the City University of New York to Bill Honig, Superintendent, California State Department of Education.
Dear Dr. Honig:
California's ban on the use of corporal punishment demonstrates the state's commitment to the future of its students.
However, if reports recently published in the Sacramento Bee correctly reflect the position of your office on the exclusion of exercise related punishment from the ban, I must express my grave concern over the wisdom used in reaching your decision.
One of the primary reasons for including physical education within the curriculum is that students will be able to obtain the skills and appreciation necessary for a lifetime involvement in the health-promoting aspects of exercise. This is laudable.
However, when teachers convert the same activity which they are trying to have students interpret as valuable to their lifelong health into a punishment, all positive pedagogical and logical principles have been abandoned. This is foolish, inappropriate and abusive to students.
Before your office continues to suggest or even condone such an abandonment of pedagogical and logical principles, I urge you to rethink your decision concerning the exclusion of exercise-related punishment from the corporal punishment ban.
Sincerely,
Linda Carpenter, Ph.D., J.D.
Professor
cc: Jordan Riak, PTAVE
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I can respect that philosophy, even if I don't agree with it. I do have a question, however. What would you do instead? I am not being a smart ass, I really want to know. For instance, if a student called a teacher a "fucking bitch" because the teacher assigned an essay for homework. According to you, what is the most effective way of handling that? Again, I am not being a smart ass, I think this is an important part of the debate.
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