Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
This goes out to all our Fallen Soldiers that left HLA
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---Again, I ask you, if they are going to do work, what work would you have them do? Do you see the catch 22?
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Once more, see below. There should never be forced labor incorporated into any child's therapy, period.
I will vigorously disagree with you on the point that children need to be forced to engage in labor of any kind for any reason.
I will state categorically that there is NO SUCH THING AS FORCED THERAPY. That is called "re-education" or "forced indoctrination," not therapy.
The reason there is a "catch 22" is simple: It is ethically/professionally wrong to force children to perform labor as a component of "therapy."
What you're failing to grasp, Truth, is that your entire program, not just components of it, is a FAILURE. It is not based on any clinically proven or professionally accepted model. It is based on principles that have been fully renounced by every single professional society and organization. That's the long and short of it. Why don't you get that?
HLA Truth:
Because, as I have already stated. I have seen it work for the positive too many times to say that it is a failure.
It is easy to use scary words like "forced indoctrination" to make it sound like some sort of sick cult. The reality is that many, not all, of these kids do not have any clue of what it means to actually do some hard work. Work- not brutal slave labor. This is something, if done correctly, that the kids can find some value in and make some positive changes for themselves with.
Deborah:
Is that at least one of the reasons that HLA doesn?t want to be licensed by the state?
Moving boulders/cement, dragging a large pole around the field and doing push-ups if the pole stops moving, cleaning dumpster with a toothbrush, and the like are forced activities that are purely punishment.
Digging steps out of the side of the mountain, picking up trash, cleaning dumpster with a toothbrush, chopping wood, etc, enhance the property and would not be allowed if licensed. There is a reason for this. Programs can not use the kids as unpaid labor, or subject them to dangerous activities.
Can you cite one parenting expert that recommends useful work as punishment. Some even warn against ?rewarding? necessary work- laundry, cleaning, etc. How does ?work? as punishment foster a positive attitude toward necessary and satisfying work, much less a sense of cooperation and camaraderie?
I can?t see that any of the kids found ?inherent value? in the ?work? they were forced to do.
If anything they have developed a negative association with (aversion to) work, and to nature as well, due to the ?punishment? associated with being forced to spend time in nature- Ridge Creek.
How have you seen it work in a positive way? Compliance without complaint does not ensure that any value has been gain from the experience.
If I wanted to teach my children the value of work, that is not the way I would go about it.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---This is something, if done correctly, that the kids can find some value in and make some positive changes for themselves with.
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"Done correctly," in terms of any therapy means "not forced." There just isn't any other way to say this. There is no such thing as "forced" therapy.
I also have no doubts that the "work" being performed falls largely into two categories: facility enrichment and mindless labor like moving rockpiles. I'm sorry, Truth, but that just doesn't jive with what you are saying about "meaningful work."
You will say that if this is happening, it shouldn't be. However, it is well-known that the children are generally "supervised" by uneducated, untrained staff that just don't know any better and when "the cat's away, the mice play."
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