Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
This goes out to all our Fallen Soldiers that left HLA
Anonymous:
i wish i could go there right now. the stuff really is funny. that kid was like, crying about having to carry boulders or broken up cement. That sounds like a rest compared to some shit i have been through. I really hate when the officials try to bring a place down just because some pussy kids complain about it. I was in a school that really did help and it is getting shut down for the exact same reason.
In high school wrestling, there are kids who puke, and then keep running, and its voluntary. Im not saying that that is how everyone should do things, im just saying that it is only as bad as you make it out to be.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---On 2006-02-06 20:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i wish i could go there right now. the stuff really is funny. that kid was like, crying about having to carry boulders or broken up cement. That sounds like a rest compared to some shit i have been through. I really hate when the officials try to bring a place down just because some pussy kids complain about it. I was in a school that really did help and it is getting shut down for the exact same reason.
In high school wrestling, there are kids who puke, and then keep running, and its voluntary. Im not saying that that is how everyone should do things, im just saying that it is only as bad as you make it out to be. "
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Sure, prison is only as bad as you make it out to be as well. Torture camps, too. That's just not the point.
The point is that there is NO PURPOSE to these activities. There is nothing to be learned from them and they can be dangerous (ask the kid with the broken foot, or some of the others with permanent back damage or hernias). This is also not addressing the fact that the staff of HLA are currently stating on this board that this type of punishment is not being used - a blatant prevarication.
Now, let me ask you, if the staff that works there feels the need to lie about and cover up this practice, is it really on the up-and-up? I think not.
This begs the question of what else goes on there that is illegal/immoral/damaging/dangerous that they are lying about and covering up?
HLA Truth:
--- Quote ---On 2006-02-07 05:37:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-02-06 20:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i wish i could go there right now. the stuff really is funny. that kid was like, crying about having to carry boulders or broken up cement. That sounds like a rest compared to some shit i have been through. I really hate when the officials try to bring a place down just because some pussy kids complain about it. I was in a school that really did help and it is getting shut down for the exact same reason.
In high school wrestling, there are kids who puke, and then keep running, and its voluntary. Im not saying that that is how everyone should do things, im just saying that it is only as bad as you make it out to be. "
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Sure, prison is only as bad as you make it out to be as well. Torture camps, too. That's just not the point.
The point is that there is NO PURPOSE to these activities. There is nothing to be learned from them and they can be dangerous (ask the kid with the broken foot, or some of the others with permanent back damage or hernias). This is also not addressing the fact that the staff of HLA are currently stating on this board that this type of punishment is not being used - a blatant prevarication.
Now, let me ask you, if the staff that works there feels the need to lie about and cover up this practice, is it really on the up-and-up? I think not.
This begs the question of what else goes on there that is illegal/immoral/damaging/dangerous that they are lying about and covering up?
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If a kid says that they have done work like this at HLA, I am not going to argue with them. All I can say is that it is not supposed to happen that way. All work that is done by students is supposed to have a purpose and I believe the vast majority of it does.
Here is the catch 22, however...I hear people say that kids should not do work that has no purpose while on restrictions. When kids do work that has purpose, however, people complain that HLA is having kids do work that improves upon the school and that that is illegal. There are complaints either way.
I would be interested in some suggestions of what type of work you think should be done on restriction.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---I would be interested in some suggestions of what type of work you think should be done on restriction
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Well, work that improves the campus or enriches staff is actually illegal, so that should not even be on the table, ever.
Your question above leads me to ask you another question: What is the purpose of forced labor in the first place? It serves no therapeutic or educational purpose (surely you won't argue this point - one of the fundamental tenets of therapy is that it MUST BE VOLUNTARY), so why in the world are you doing it at all?
HLA Truth:
This will just have to be a point that we have to disagree on. I have seen MANY kids who did not want to get outside and work. The complained about it, talked about how it was unfair, ect... but then an hour into it started finding the value in hard work and by the end of the project was very proud of what they accomplished. It was not voluntary, but it was very therapeutic. Sometimes kids have to be made to do something, before they see the inherant value in it. And no, I am not talking about the mind numbing, move this pile of wood from here to there and back again crap, I am talking about real work that has a purpose.
Again, I ask you, if they are going to do work, what work would you have them do? Do you see the catch 22?
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