LET'S STAGE A PROTEST!!!!

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-10 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

  It's funny that you think you would cause parents to pull their kids

Oh its happened already.  A few times in fact.  After the latest bootcamp death http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... =9&start=0 hopefully more parents will wake the hell up.

[Anonymous]

unless they are looking for a reason and want to believe YOUR brainwashing

Yes, it's fornits who is brainwashing kids. How naive of me to think otherwise. :silly:

Personally I could care less if parents believe the kids who have been abused. It's their own mistake. Kids are out there posting their own experiences as a way to get through their own personal hell -- not many are in the pursuit of changing parents' minds. They are still suffering to much to do this. CCM is older, and wants to take action. I applaud that. You, come here to try and disuade her. Why?

You really think fornits is made up by one kid posting as hundreds of different usernames and anons -- all in the effort to defame WWASP's empire? And you talk about believability, eh? LOL

Go to the support group meetings, go to the seminars

I have had the pleasure of being physically and emotionally tortured by WWASP and don't need some parent telling me this didn't happen. You tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. Change reality, shift it to fit in with your own experience, it doesn't effect me.

I have no regrets, I am not vengeful. I will speak the truth however. I am not an apologist for an organization I know abuses children who are innocent of any reason to be treated the way they are.

Why are you here?

[Anonymous]

People that post negatives all over the websites (no telling how many are actually 1 person posing as 50)

Sorry to burst your delusional bubble. Since you seem to fool yourself into thinking that a large portion the kids who are jailed by WWASP support it for some reason, here's a myspace group recently created with over 325 kids in it already. It's called Anti-WWASP. Hard to dismiss them, each one has a picture, a story and something to say.

Anti-WWASP

Still think it's all one disgruntled kid?

Well, if so, I have a list of various other groups and websites, well over a thousand ex-prisoners and growing daily. Once you are finished telling those 325 kids they are wrong, I'll give you another group you can take a crack at.

Most kids tortured at WWASP don't come to fornits. They hated the program and want nothing to do with program apologists such as yourself. Can you blame them?

By the way... let me know how many pro-wwasp alumni groups you find.  :wink:

The truth is coming out, and it doesn't look good for the child abusers!

[Anonymous]

Go to the support group meetings, go to the seminars. It's funny that you think you would cause parents to pull their kids

WWASP doesn't need any help scaring off rational and intelligent parents from their abuse-cult -- they do this all on their own.

Read this post, from a parent who recently attended a seminar, exactly as you suggest:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#171205

This "program" attempted to brainwash me in the seminars..my X is definately programmed in a bad way..I have 5 other kids here all make good grades and are as dysfunctional as any other normal family. I made a mistake 2 years ago in listening to my son when he said he wanted to live with his dad. I had no idea he would send him to a brainwashing "cult". Thank you for the website, it has been very helpful.

Better get the buckets, your sinking fast.

[Anonymous]

It's funny that you think you would cause parents to pull their kids

Why do you think this is funny? Can you explain that please? I don't get it, and I don't like being left out on a joke.

The parent I quoted above did exactly as you suggested. They attended the seminar with an open mind, and that alarmed them enough to pull their kid. This seems perfectly logical to me. Unfettered trust of unqualified individuals with my loved one would seem  much stranger to me, but hey, thats me. I find none of this funny, however.

Here, another parent's view of the seminars. Enjoy.

I agree with you completely..I witnessed 3 of the numerous seminars, where they attempt to put you into a different state, and ask that you look at an imaginary photo album and tear out the ones of your mother for example and the times she hurt you then you put them in your chair and hit them with your fist...attempting to drive the "spirits" away. They do this repeatly with your father, sister, brother, etcc..this process lasts about 3 hours. In each of the Discovery and Focus seminar they last 12 hrs, ending at midnight, breaks are sometimes without 1 word..we were not allowed to. They drill in your heads that your children need to be with them and I want you to be concerned about your own program. They forced my son to say things that never happened..if he didnt he was not "working the program". I believe all of the schools under the WWASPs' wings are all under the same program..some are more harsher than others, some as such Tranquility bay even physically abuse the kids..they have post traumatic syndrome..afraid of being yanked out of their beds at 3 am to have their wrists wringed over and over..so if anyone asks me..do I think that this kind of program saves lives..I simply must say no..I think it kills the very spirit in children that gives them the "keys to success"...that was too funny.

Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#171290

If anybody reading this wants a more in depth, detailed view of WWASP's seminars, this is an excellent write up.

http://www.pianofinders.com/es/breakingthesecrecy.htm

[Anonymous]

I took Transcendental Meditation.  Paid them $145 when I was in college and a young married--that was a huge amount of money to us then.

They had a great line of bullshit about how TM would improve your life, improve your ability to study by improving your ability to concentrate for long periods of time, keep you healthy and make you live up into triple digits of years.

Got you in the door for a week and immediately started trying to sell us alternative medicine products and a *three thousand* dollar upgraded version of TM, tried to get us to drop out of college and go to a place called Maharishi International University.  The place was a flaky puff place with no academics worth the name.  They had videos where all the women were in the kind of dresses you'd wear to somebody's wedding and all the men were in suits---there was something distinctly creepy about it.  I asked why they were all dressed that way and they tried to tell us that when people respected themselves more they wanted to dress that way.

Yeah, right.  Kids walking around a college campus want to be in suits, ties, and dresses that would look more appropriate on middle-aged church ladies.  Sure.

But they had a slick sell for their line of bull and they almost sucked me in with it.  They probably wouldn't have, but I'm still grateful to a college professor of mine who gave me a reality check and told me to ask them about accreditation and then, if they said it was, *check* to make sure it was the appropriate accreditation organization.  It was a very kind thing to do.

The times I've seen people talk parents out of WWASPS on Fornits it was just exactly the way my college professor put the nail in the coffin of my potential life wrecking mistake of getting sucked deeper into the TM cult.

We encourage parents to ask reasonable questions and do reasonable checks on their child's welfare.

Some children, like some adults, are dangerous to themselves or others and need to be in a facility.

Thing is, when parents ask reasonable questions, they usually realize that either their child needs something other than a facility *or* that if their child needs a facility, they need a facility that is not a WWASPS one.

It's WWASPS own fault, you know.  There's a market for humane RTC/boarding schools that are either voluntary and not lockdown (for kids that just need to get away) or are for the mentally ill children and treat them based on the medical model.  It would just be more work than seminar hokum and have lower profit margins.

Sending your kid to WWASPS is like buying a particle-board kitchen table and paying solid oak prices for it.  Except that particle board tables are an okay choice for some people, sometimes.

Dang, even if you can make a case a particular kid needs a facility--*WWASPS*?!  Talk about your bad choices.

[CCM girl 1989]

On 2006-02-09 09:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"CCM girl, just out of curiousity how old are you?  By the way it's absolutely ridiculous what you are trying to do, do you really think that parents who have sent their kids to the program will listen to you?  The best part is that it's very easy for us who have been saved by the programs to show up at all of the seminars that you do so that the parents can hear both sides of the story.  Who do you think they'll believe, the hundreds of us who say their lives were saved, or the few of you?



                             -Proudgrad"

I am in my 30's, and I am doing just fine. Except for one thing.....I came across WWASP on the internet about 5 months ago. I was very upset how they had grown in numbers, and when I had read what was still happening (and had even gotten worse since I had been there), I felt the need to start doing something about it.

It's hard since we are all very busy, but I would feel even more guilty then I already do, if I sat back and did nothing.

So, I am trying to do something. I am trying to get the truth out. Do I get something from doing this? Only the satisfaction that I am doing what is right.

I promise to write more, but I am swamped this weekend with a baby shower that I am having for my girlfriend tomorrow at the house. I will write more come monday.

[Anonymous]

Any posts that thank the program are always anonymous.  Some girl Loah Terra liked the program and is the only one I've ever seen post her name, school and dates so people can verify her existence.  "Proudgrad" is as anonymous as all the other WWASP trolls on here.  There aren't any pro-programmers here online, so what on earth makes you think that "hundreds" would show up to praise the program?  The End Institutionalized Child Abuse group is closing in on 1000 members, and Anti-WWASP has almost 400, plus all the posters on here.  CCMGirl, don't be dissuaded by the naysayers.  You go, girl!

[CCM girl 1989]

It's too bad that we don't have a backer who could put some money towards a good cause.

My idea........would be to also have a meeting room at the hotel booked. That way, you could schedule a meeting that was free to all titled, "Things you should know before placing your child in treatment". Or something real catchy? That way, upon guest arrival at the hotel, you could put flyers under doors. You'd have it, let say from 7:00am-8:00am before their registration begins at 8:30am.


That way, I don't think there would be any chance of getting the boot!?!!

You're there legally, having your own meeting/confrence. What would they say to that?

I think everywhere they go, we should go. That way you kill two birds with one stone. Warn people, and edjucate people. Which means them not sending their kids there, and the word being spread of how truely awful these places are.

[Anonymous]

http://www.wwasprebuttal.com/wwasps_emails.html

I really don't get that ANY of you are upset with WWASPS schools.  It really seems you are angry, upset, feel victimized --- by your parents for loving you enough to give you the "gift" of getting out of your own way.  

Regular abuse?  What does that mean?  You weren't able to do what you wanted when you wanted?  Tell me more?  What exactly does regular abuse mean?  

I've heard more stories from educational consultants and competitive schools about abuse than I could ever hear from a former student(s)...

[Anonymous]

"...I've heard more stories from educational consultants and competitive schools about abuse than I could ever hear from a former student(s)..."

Educational Consultants get paid by behavior mod/residential programs to refer parents to that particular school.  WWASPS schools do not support educational consultants - that's why they post as former students or disgruntled parents on forums like this so parents won't choose aWWASPS school.  They want to get paid and they won't if the parents gets the right kind of help through one of the wwasps schools.

You can never tell if it's really a student/parent or an ed. con. posting can you?
 
PHX

[Anonymous]

I really don't get that ANY of you are upset with WWASPS schools. It really seems you are angry, upset, feel victimized --- by your parents for loving you enough to give you the "gift" of getting out of your own way.

Bored tonight huh? Anonymously trolling again, eh? :wstupid: You really think it's that hard to tell you are the same poster, over and over and over?

So, have you been through a WWASP program?

Yeah, thought so.  

Better luck with your trolling elsewhere. How pathetic you spend your time doing this...  :lol:

If you are really that bored, go to the where the WWASP alumni are. The thousands of kids who are in various anti-wwasp programs.

You are an anonymous troll, thousands of us out there are willing to put our face, our name with our story.

Why won't you?

[Anonymous]

that's why they post as former students or disgruntled parents on forums like this so parents won't choose aWWASPS school. They want to get paid and they won't if the parents gets the right kind of help through one of the wwasps schools.

You can never tell if it's really a student/parent or an ed. con. posting can you?

PHX

Seen the thousands of kids in anti-wwasp groups over at myspace, anti-wwasp.tk, tbfight.org, and various other alumni websites?

They must be consultants in disguise, eh?

You program trolls really think parents are stupid, huh? Maybe you are right, I mean, they are looking into WWASPS!  ::boycott::  :lol:

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-11 14:32:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"It's too bad that we don't have a backer who could put some money towards a good cause.



My idea........would be to also have a meeting room at the hotel booked. That way, you could schedule a meeting that was free to all titled, "Things you should know before placing your child in treatment". Or something real catchy? That way, upon guest arrival at the hotel, you could put flyers under doors. You'd have it, let say from 7:00am-8:00am before their registration begins at 8:30am.





That way, I don't think there would be any chance of getting the boot!?!!



You're there legally, having your own meeting/confrence. What would they say to that?



I think everywhere they go, we should go. That way you kill two birds with one stone. Warn people, and edjucate people. Which means them not sending their kids there, and the word being spread of how truely awful these places are."

I think that is a great idea. Organization is key, and the rest will build from there. I am definitely willing to contribute to a fund to support this type of action. It's obvious from this thread, the programmies are worried. They come here to disrupt, they must be worried.

Keep up the good work all!  :tup:  :tup:

[Anonymous]

Thank God for this wonderful forum. I was "googling" the name of my son's former program, Spring Creek Lodge School in Montana, and found this website. I sent my son to SCL a year ago and should have seen the writing on the wall sooner. His story is directly in line with all the other horrible accounts I've read here. SCL is most definitely an abusive school. If you are not willing to believe the kids, believe me and all the other parents speaking out. I went to discovery seminar and should have known then what type of people run WWASPS and why my son was in so much danger, both emotionally and phsyically. I pulled my son due to financial difficulties after a year, and he is so much worse off now than he ever was, it breaks my heart. We made a mistake. A huge, life-altering mistake and I implore all those walking down this path to reevaluate their decision. I know now WWASPS is not a proper treatment facility for a kid with special needs, which my son needed. The stories he tells me give me chills down my neck, and I don't want to believe them, but I know he is telling me the truth --- even though I want to pretend he is lying to me. I know my son, I know his eyes and he is being truthful. He was abused. Just pulling my son out before he was finished was difficult. In my opinion Spring Creek School runs itself like a cult. There is no treatment whatsoever, they simply watch the kids and hope they outgrow their behaviors. I didn't need to spend four thousand dollars a month to have someone babysit my kid and emotionally and physically harm them. This is not what I paid for, but it is what I received. I notice there are a couple pro-WWASP posters here, and please be aware of something. I called WWASP and asked them about fornits, and asked if so many kids and parents were unhappy, why had they not changed their ways. They told me they monitored this forum, and post regularly. I wouldn't be surprised if the pro-WWASP posts are from WWASP employees themselves. This sounds ridiculous, until you realize how insidious and crazed the WWASP staff are. I wish I had never heard the word WWASPS and should have known right away what kind of organization they were just from choosing a name like WWASP. I was wrong, and now my son will pay emotional costs for the remainder of his life. Luckily we can speak about it and we are doing better, but he is still angry, anxious and worried all the time. Now we are pursuing proper treatment and therapy and he is doing much better. I wish we had taken this route all along, because it is actually helping him. WWASPS made him worse, and besides losing out on his entire college fund, it is now taking more money out of pocket to pay for therapy to help him get over the PTSD he now suffers from due to being mistreated at Spring Creek School. I wish I had never heard of that place, that horrible, horrible place.  :sad: