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More Paintings that Leave Little Question
Anonymous:
I do not doubt that some people are better suited to daytops methodology. Without attributing blame or evil intention to daytop some guys respond better to it than others. I was there and saw a few guys just not handle it. Overall, with all its flaws the daytop I knew in 1980 was an elegant behavioral model addressing serious addiction. For some it worked well for others it didn't. We had alot of laughs and there was a tough but warm family atmosphere. There is still no magic cure for hardcore addicts. Treatment is a work in progress. You should lighten up. Methinks though dost protest too much.
Paul St. John:
--- Quote from: "steve f" ---I do not doubt that some people are better suited to daytops methodology.
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And I think that Daytop methodologies are not suited to people
--- Quote from: "steve f" ---Without attributing blame or evil intention to daytop..... .
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Why shouldn't we attribute blame to Daytop? Who should we attribute blame to. They claim to be able to cure people of drug addiction, and they receive money to perform that service.
--- Quote from: "steve f" ---some guys respond better to it than others. I was there and saw a few guys just not handle it. .
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Then these people did not receive the services that their parents, the state, their school, and Daytop sponsors paid for. That is pretty black and white to me. My question is - When it was realised that they were not responding to it and/or couldn't handle it, were they immediatly released from treatment, or still held there for months or even years against their will?
--- Quote from: "steve f" ---Overall, with all its flaws the daytop I knew in 1980 was an elegant behavioral model addressing serious addiction..
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The Daytop I knew in the early 90's ( a time in which it was better then the 80's) had not a touch of elegance to it, and I could not even imagine that any person who watched from the outside as a 3rd party who had the least bit of sense, would use of all words, "elegant", to describe it. I remember it as more of a "let's try this.. let's try that.. let's try this" .. very rough and frustrating for all involved sort of environment. The fact of the matter is the program just did not work, and these you are typing are not even worth the energy it took to type them. The program harmed many people who did not deserve it, made them less independent, less confident, more subserviant, less happy, slowed down their growing into maturity, taught them how to thrive through manipulation, and convinced them that they were dopefienes who were incapable of any thought or feeling that was not wrong, unless it was a thought or feeling that proved someone else wrong.
--- Quote from: "steve f" ---For some it worked well for others it didn't..
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Win some ... Lose some..
--- Quote from: "steve f" ---We had alot of laughs .
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Well, that's impoartant.
I watched an epsiode of "The Office" last night, and I had a lot of laughs. You're probably wonderring how that's relevent. It's not.. just like you're having a lot of laughs at Daytop is completely irrelevant to whether or not it is an effective drug rehabilitation program.
--- Quote from: "steve f" ---and there was a tough but warm family atmosphere.
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That's a bunch of bullshit, and you know it.
Screaming obscenities at people in front of "the family" til they break down in tears = a tough, but warm family environment?
Or how 'bout the tough but warm family environment where family members have to sit motionless in a chair and stare at a wall for 12 hours..
They type of warmth you're talking about is the type of warmth that will slowly cook someone.
--- Quote from: "steve f" ---There is still no magic cure for hardcore addicts..
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and there never will be a magic cure
--- Quote from: "steve f" ---Treatment is a work in progress..
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AKA many unhappy people will go on causing unnecessary pain to people who are not in a position to protect themselves, but just until we smooth out the edges.. get it right... hang in there... it's all for a good cause
--- Quote from: "steve f" ---You should lighten up..
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That was a wasted 20 characters or so. I am not a very maleable human being.. quite the contrary. Did you think I would read that and say, " Oh.. You re right .. I should lightenn up. Oh gosh darnit"
--- Quote from: "steve f" --- Methinks though dost protest too much.
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What the fu** do I care what youthinks?
Paul
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