Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Daytop Village
More Paintings that Leave Little Question
hanzomon4:
Just my opinion, folks with criminal backgrounds should not be working with kids especially in an environment were the children are so vulnerable to abuse or exploitation.
Anonymous:
i worked at daytop 20 years ago in adol outpatient. i DO agree with you about methods. i was the only counselor in my facilty who was not an ex-addict and had a BA in psych. the yelling and screaming, the "haircuts" and encounter groups were unnecessarily harsh, especially for kids. i left in less than a year because of this. i can't speak for any other location but i can attest to the fact that although the other counselors were ex-addicts and ex-whatever else, they were INDEED concerned for the kids they treated and were not there for the check. in my time at least, the check was pitifully meager. i can say that all the ppl who worked with me, misguided as their methods were, wanted to help the kids in their charge.
Inculcated:
--- Quote from: "guest1060597" ---i worked at daytop 20 years ago in adol outpatient. i DO agree with you about methods. i was the only counselor in my facilty who was not an ex-addict and had a BA in psych. the yelling and screaming, the "haircuts" and encounter groups were unnecessarily harsh, especially for kids. i left in less than a year because of this. i can't speak for any other location but i can attest to the fact that although the other counselors were ex-addicts and ex-whatever else, they were INDEED concerned for the kids they treated and were not there for the check. in my time at least, the check was pitifully meager. i can say that all the ppl who worked with me, misguided as their methods were, wanted to help the kids in their charge.
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I’ll get the obligatory insult toward your language skills out of the way, by addressing that it’s a wonder you were even able to matriculate.
Thanks so much for that tepid acknowledgement of the daily litany of verbal and psychological abuse inflicted on the kids as being “unnecessarily harsh”.
You “attest to the fact that the other counsellors were INDEED concerned for the kids”. I’ll concede in some very misguided cases of those who were indoctrinated into perpetuators of programming, that’s probably true.
My question is how the HELL would you presume to speak of the motives of all the other counsellors?
Did it occur to you that despite whatever nobility you saw in their receiving pittance remunerations, some of them were getting a pay off from being in the only environment they could thrive in?
In that common ground they were free to express punitive love (AND IN AT LEAST ONE CASE CREEPY INTRUSIVE AFFECTION) and arbitrarily mete out sadistically humiliating learning experiences. Whether they themselves were so convinced or not, they told the kids this “harsh” “treatment” was for their own good. Sure some of them believed that, but it doesn’t mitigate the impact of the harm they inflicted.
If you really want to reach out, you could perhaps be more forthcoming with pertinent details such as which facility you worked in. Also,expand on "harsh" and "concern" from your unique perspective.
Inculcated:
If you really want to reach out, you could perhaps be more forthcoming with pertinent details such as which facility you worked in. Also,expand on "harsh" and "concern" from your unique perspective.-Inculcated
Still looking forward to your reply.
Who’s runnin’ now ?
Updated revision:
Never mind.I’ve had some burning questions sufficiently answered by someone else and they seemed on the level.
…Troll on
Paul St. John:
--- Quote from: "guest1060597" ---i worked at daytop 20 years ago in adol outpatient. i DO agree with you about methods. i was the only counselor in my facilty who was not an ex-addict and had a BA in psych. the yelling and screaming, the "haircuts" and encounter groups were unnecessarily harsh, especially for kids. i left in less than a year because of this. i can't speak for any other location but i can attest to the fact that although the other counselors were ex-addicts and ex-whatever else, they were INDEED concerned for the kids they treated and were not there for the check. in my time at least, the check was pitifully meager. i can say that all the ppl who worked with me, misguided as their methods were, wanted to help the kids in their charge.
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Perhaps, the counselors where you were actually did want to help the kids or at least appeared to. The imporatnt thing in my book is that we agree the methods were misguided and unnecessarily harsh, especailly for kids. You did the right thing by leaving!
Whether people where you were cared or only put on a good act, I can t know, but I do think that some people working in the programs are redeemabl, but the programs themselves are not.
Daytop is bad. Daytop was far worse! And Daytop is not alone. These programs are like an epeidemic. Light needs to be shone on them.
Also, they are an absolute insult to people who responsibly practice beneficail forms of psychology that actually benefit a patient. These schools really run accordng to out-dated Dark Ages methodologies........and ph
ilosophies as their methodologies stem from their flawed philosophies, which many of the practitioners, it seems, cannot even verbalise but have only assimilated, through association, and "act as if".
Many of the Daytop community are well aware of what they are guilty of. People have done many terrible things throughout history, in the name of a greater good. Still they have been held accountable, even if with lenancy, still accountable
The actions that have taken place in the history of Therapeutic communities have been more then abusive. They have been systematically abusive, and scientifically abusive. As opposed to the average child abuser who hurts their kids during a drunken fit, or because they are sufferring extra low self-esteem on a particular day, this abuse is contrived, planned, and razor sharp.
Paul
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