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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2006, 11:30:00 PM »
First of all I am completely JEALOUS of the fact that you only had a rap once a week.  I wish that were the case we had them 3x a week and they were 4  hours.  How long did yours last - an hour?  No we didn't have teams but families.  But you were in Idaho and I would say most likely within the last 5 years when the Brown Schools headed the whole operation, did you get ski trips and other outings?

Oh glad you had an outlet, that is always a nice escape.  Anytime you talked to a family head they would use it against you maybe on monday or wednesday or friday.  The only guy that wasn't like the others there was the art teacher he didn't go to many raps I guess it was optional.  He was cool but I don't remember his name. Jon something.  Painting was my outlet.

Oh by the way we had school 3 days for like 4 hrs a day - so 8 whole hours a week we "learned" education.  3 days/week for 4 hours we went to raps = 12 hours and 3 days/week for 4 hours we go to do manual labor = 12 hours.  So 24 hours a week doing that instead of learning is truly attrocious.  Oh and after our educational minute we got 8 hours of sports play a week aka physical education - exactly equal time as educational mind development.  Just discusting.

You had it good even thought it was bad.  It could have been worst.  



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"Haha ok now that is just fucked. But actually, we had 'team teachers'. Which basically meant that each team (you guys had teams back in the 70s and 80s, right?) had a couple teacher that would sit in on team raps, which were once a week. Some team teachers never said shit, others got all into the program.



But anyways yea, I loved the teachers. They were really all I had besides my friends...I've always been pretty intrigued by all facets of education, probably why I'm submitting myself to the hell of 7 years of college, but those teachers were really cool people. Jim Hooper was a genius...he could teach you about ANYTHING scientific, and had some of the most interesting, innovative views on current events that I've ever heard. When a blizzard closed the Bonners Ferry post office the day before my college recommendation had to be postmarked, Val Davis threw chains on her pickup and drove all the way to Sandpoint just to get that shit off. It was really a good escape from the drama Shanlea mentioned...when the staff hit me with more than I could handle, I'd just go kick it with a teacher and learn about something. Helped the time go by. "
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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2006, 12:26:00 AM »
Haha, no no no, we had raps 3 times a week. Let me think, they started at about 1 pm and ended at around 4 pm. So 3 hours...a little less than you guys, but still quite painful. Only once a week did we have team raps...generally on wednesdays. But we had classes 5 days a week, unless of course you got on a bad full time and they would pull you from classes to shovel shit out of the horse pen. Normally you'd take 2 classes a day for 90 minutes each, but a lot of students took a "zero period" class, which was just a 3rd class that took place while everyone else was doing morning chores. Early voyagers would take 1 class and either work on the farm or take "voyager classroom"...that shit where they'd fingerpaint and do horticulture and shit like that. My parents almost pulled me when they found out I was doing that bullshit.

After tooling around these boards for a year, I have come to the conclusion that I had it VERY good. Compared to you guys that is. Compared to my friends back in beantown? Fuck my high school years sucked.
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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2006, 01:01:00 AM »
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Oh and after our educational minute we got 8 hours of sports play a week aka physical education - exactly equal time as educational mind development. Just discusting.


Oh my god, I was so sick of blob tag it wasn't even funny. That's ALL we played in voyageurs. And then maybe if the staff felt like mixing it up, it was freeze tag. But most of the time it was blob tag.
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2006, 08:10:00 PM »
We used to play handball in the lower aud, but with a twist that made it sort of like that game you always played in elementary school called suicide. It was pretty cool, considering most of the time they would "close" the outside and confine us to the house. But then this kid took a dive right into the wall and dislocated 2 fingers at once. So basically we were never allowed to get shit for exercise after dinner between the months of october and march.
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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2006, 10:25:00 PM »
Anon said:
lol yes it was highly developed drama dept.... most likely I knew you too.... who was in your peer goup (first name last initial) and/or when did you get there? I got there Octoberish 1987.

I just missed you then. I split in September. My peer group was Shannon, Gabrielle, Monique, Ali, Pablo, Alana, Chris, Jay, etc.... I was cut off from all after I split, so I have no idea what became of everyone. My family heads were Jim Johnson and Laurie Saunders and I can't say I remember them fondly.
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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2006, 10:05:00 PM »
Anon said:
I just missed you then. I split in September. My peer group was Shannon, Gabrielle, Monique, Ali, Pablo, Alana, Chris, Jay, etc.... I was cut off from all after I split, so I have no idea what became of everyone. My family heads were Jim Johnson and Laurie Saunders and I can't say I remember them fondly.

I remember those names! I was in the peer group below you. I think at one point down the road the two merged.  What happened after you split? Provo? 21 day? RMA? Why were you cut off?
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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2006, 12:18:00 AM »
I meant I was cut off because when you leave CEDU, you cannot talk to your peers inside... persona non grata.

I talked about splitting on another thread, but the gist of it was a single mother picked me up and I stayed with her for a week and took care of her kids (I am forever in her debt) until she went down the mountain to San Diego for a family reunion, and dropped me off with friends. My folks said you can't come back, and I said Alrightee, that's fine.  I'll just go to live with my friend in Haight Ashbury, SF. My Mom drank the Kool Aid and was all set to send me back or do whatever CEDU told her (threaten me with lock up etc.) My Dad was having serious second thoughts about the place and just said come home. So I did. And I was the model student-volunteer-healthy/happy camper. I had no home supervision, I just did well because I wanted to... but CEDU did not solve the reasons that got me there anyway, and those things I still grappled with. It wasn't drugs, violence, petty crime,or promiscuity.  There was no reason to send me to a lock up, though many parents did just that for petty reasons. Mine didn't.
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2006, 10:12:00 PM »
I read that post a while back, you were lucky! Yeah my mom bought into the whole program too and still preaches that tough love crap.  It would be nice to have loving caring parents that were normal but thanks to the school that will never happen.  I did the best I could when I got back too mostly becuase  subconciously I didn't want to go back and had some fear that I might.  No Cedu didn't solve anything just complicated problems in a rather sever way.  I wasn't into any of that either and I had no reason to go there other than my mom was a full time single woman who couldn't handle getting older and handling a teenager aka petty reason.

I have an odd feeling that I know who you are.  This is my guess you are female.  Your first initial is M and does DM in SD sound familiar?  If not oh well I don't know you but it sure is good to know that someone else went through the same thing I did.
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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2006, 12:44:00 AM »
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"Haha, no no no, we had raps 3 times a week. Let me think, they started at about 1 pm and ended at around 4 pm. So 3 hours...a little less than you guys, but still quite painful. Only once a week did we have team raps...generally on wednesdays. But we had classes 5 days a week, unless of course you got on a bad full time and they would pull you from classes to shovel shit out of the horse pen. Normally you'd take 2 classes a day for 90 minutes each, but a lot of students took a "zero period" class, which was just a 3rd class that took place while everyone else was doing morning chores. Early voyagers would take 1 class and either work on the farm or take "voyager classroom"...that shit where they'd fingerpaint and do horticulture and shit like that. My parents almost pulled me when they found out I was doing that bullshit.



After tooling around these boards for a year, I have come to the conclusion that I had it VERY good. Compared to you guys that is. Compared to my friends back in beantown? Fuck my high school years sucked. "


Yeah...it does sound like it became a little better.  in '85 the Schedule was

Mon-Friday
6:30 rise...then a 1/2 mile walk to "first light" at 7:00 and then breakfast at 7:30, work from 8-11:45 (11:30 if you worked on the farm) and work was work...cutting splitting & hauling wood in voyagers, felling trees & peeling the rails (in Quest...didn't have Discovery Yet as a Family) for the horse corral that we subsequently built (challenge)as older students we were the construction slaves and cooks for the most part with a few staff overseers.

so...roughly 18-19 hours of work (not including Saturday morning chores which would bring the total up to)

12:00  "HOUSE AROUND THE PIT"...jeeze...I can hear them yelling it now.

12:00-12:50 lunch.  You hoped that you were one of the first groups called up for lunch because some days they would actually run out and you would be left with whatever bread they had left and some peanut butter. Truly...sunday brunch was the only decent meal.

MWF 12:50 "House Around the Pit" time to call out the rap lists while "throwing barbs" at the students infront of the whole house. Then Raps from 1-5...sometimes shorter...sometimes longer...many went all the way through "dormtime" and were let out as dinner started. Missing "dormtime"...especially if you lived at the Duplex sucked as that was the only time you got to wash the work-mornings dirt off so if you missed it...and worked on the farm...you got to smell like wherever you happened to work.

T/Th 1:00-5:00 2 90 minute classes and "experientials" which were just a random assortment of outdoor things from picking berries to a small hike to having Joe Sweeney teach you something as crazy as "skreeing"

so...looks like we have

20 hours of work
12 hours of raps
6 hours of classes
3 hours of BS "experientials"

my classes were basically cutting and pasting of collages, reading magazine articles...well...part of them...because they had sometimes lost part of the article due to the cutting and pasting.  Math...don't make me laugh...I wasn't lucky enough to have Will Vernard.

T/Th evenings there were classes also. not everybody had them for some reason. I was assigned to Aerobics...go figure...I didn't need to lose weight and was already in good shape as I had always played sports.

Speaking of sports...they finally started a soccer team...I had played all my life...yet wasn't allowed to try out.  A basketball hoop and a volleyball net were put on dirt courts. I enjoyed playing Volleyball sometimes in the summer evenings...maybe a little too much I guess as they put me on bans for it for no reason.
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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2006, 08:14:00 AM »
That's pretty much the same schedule as when I was there.

They always put you on bans from things you enjoyed.

1/2 mile walk.. did you live in the swamp? I dont know if it was called the swamp then.

Which one was the duplex? I remember there being murkwood, swamp, hobbit, crystal cave, and the girls dorms under the house (previously the bingo parlor) and the garden house.

I remember having to cut up articles. We still had that bullshit even when the academic building emerson was built and were supposedly having better classes. We had to focus on one type of issue, like education or the environment or some such thing, and cut out relevant articles to paste in our notebooks. Granted, the academics did improve once the building was there, and upper school students finally had classes all day, except for when they had to be in raps. I remember when we finally got computers: DOS with word perfect and a typing tutor program. (am I showing my age?)

Experientials, what a bunch of shit that was.

I remember them running out of food, too. Or at least, the good food. We would rush to the line and everyone would joke and make cow sounds because it was such a stampede to get to the food. Then the staff started this whole thing to criticise that situation, by stating that the kids were "coming from a place of (false) scarcity", and then that developed this whole "fear of scarcity" line. So when kids would grab for food other students would be joking and saying "scarcity! scarcity!"

I actually had a dream a few weeks ago where I was there and they were having pb&j day, with those huge bowls of peanut butter and jelly, and it was always the most god awful peanut butter. And we never had white bread, either. I remember I always skipped lunch when they had pb&js.

I think probably my favorite meal there was when they had chicken curry. Granted, it was not exactly fine cuisine, but I'm a curry whore, so whenever I can get it, I'm happy. The fruit compote for saturday pancakes was also good. The food overall seemed to be on the healthy side, and I was satisfied with it, it's just that it made everyone fart a lot. God I hated that. People farted so much during social time in the house. That whole place smelled like ass.

I remember when we were in middle/upper school and we were finally able to go to bonners ferry to the pink lion supermarket to buy real, brand name food, and I was so happy to be able to get chocolate milk mix and instant coffee.

A lot of the evening classes you are referring to were optional ones you could sign up for if you wanted to. I remember I would always take Kristen's drawing or watercolor classes, and Chuck Selent's stop motion animation classes. (Except we didn't have a stop motion film camera, so we had to use a video camera, and everything was in sucky slow motion.)
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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2006, 08:24:00 PM »
To the OP -- I started teaching at CEDU within weeks of graduating college.  I did want to be a teacher, and did go on to get my teaching credential.  I wasn't qualified to teach when I got there, and I realized pretty quickly that no one really cared about that.  It's part of the reason why I left.  Real teaching wasn't really being done.
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« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2006, 01:34:00 AM »
what's your name?????
i graduated in 90.
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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2006, 01:35:00 PM »
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A lot of the evening classes you are referring to were optional ones you could sign up for if you wanted to. I remember I would always take Kristen's drawing or watercolor classes, and Chuck Selent's stop motion animation classes. (Except we didn't have a stop motion film camera, so we had to use a video camera, and everything was in sucky slow motion.)
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Haha, I loved those classes they would try to offer without any of the necessary equipment. They started this film production class and there were 6 of us in it, but then they got all gay and took our 2 cameras away but made us finish the last 7 weeks of the class anyways. They were like "well, put on a play or something and pretend there's a camera".
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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2006, 09:38:00 AM »
I'm really glad someone started this thread.
I can totally relate to everything that's been said regarding what a total joke that
Cedu Academics were.  

I attended Running Springs in the early 90's, and back then we had formal schooling (english, math, history)only (2) morning per week.  We didn't even have science classes, Cedu gave science credits for chopping wood ("earth science") and shoveling shit on the farm ("farm science").  

I was always in trouble at Cedu, and back then they would pull you out of classes to do work assignments.  Was it still that way later on? I probably spent 2/3 of my time at Cedu (1yr. & 7mo.) on work assignments, which means that I got virtually no education from cedu at all.  

I took advantage of Cedu's library and I read as much as possible.  I guess subconsiously, I was educatating myself, since Cedu did such a piss poor job of it.  Evidently Cedu staff thought that I was too smart for my own good
(meaning that I was smarter than they were)and they put me on bans from reading!  Seriously, how could any place calling itself a "school", forbid students from reading?  I mean how stupid is that?

I think it's safe to say that Cedu cornered the market on ridiculous a long time ago!

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« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2006, 07:59:00 PM »
I was pulled from class a number of times, sometimes for up to 2 1/2 weeks, to shovel shit out of the horse pen, or pick all the gravel out of the grass along every path on campus, or something like that. 2 1/2 weeks out of a 10 week class is a pretty long time to miss.

I also remember a bunch of kids being placed on reading bans at one time or another. On one of my full times they put me on reading bans...I was on bans from all but 2 students, neither of which I liked. They wanted me to focus on getting back in agreement while I was sitting at my table, so I was limited to an hour of time to work on homework a night, and I was never allowed to just sit and read a book.
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