On 2006-01-01 21:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
The magic did wear off. It was the magic of honesty.
Okay, Im calling major bullshit on that statement. THe seed was perhaps one of the most dishonest places ever conceived of. Art was a pathological liar, they lied to get you in the place, they lied about how long you could stay, they lied about "awareness", They lied about court orders, they lied to the press, they told you to lie to your parents about what when on in group, and on and on.
In fact, just like any cult, they redefined the term honesty to mean "tell me what I expect to hear". If you really tried to be "honest" such as standing up and saying something like "you know, it is cruel and heartless to feed teenage kids wet PB&Y sandwhiches and make them sit in chairs all day", or "sure I had fun before I came in the seed..one time I went to this party and got a blowjob and it was great" your ass would be chewed out for hours and you would lose all the time you invested in the program. The place wasnt' just dishonest it punished real honesty and then redefined honesty. One of the markers of cults, BTW.
Honesty was redefined to fit expectations within the group.
Curiosity piqued my desire to go looking for some grads. I expected to find people who were mildy successful and mostly happy with their life. Does this fit any of you?
It fits many of us, however you define sucess. It does not mean we cannot rational discuss our time in the seed, in either negative or postive terms. We do not need to be successfull to accept or reject the seed, nor do we need to be a failure (whatever that is) to accept or reject the seed. What in the world would lead you to this conclusion?
I notice none of you who responded to my post attempted to answer any of the questions I posed there. Avoiding something?
Still copping out?
ewwww, yucky seed 'comn down on you' terminology and tactics. I need a shower!
:grin:
Seriously, Just what questions do you have. Post them here and I/we will do what we can to answer them. I would appreciate you taking some time to read thru the forum first. It started with this thread five years ago.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... forum=8&34Neil , you said this...." I had the impression that ?The Seed? wanted me to go out and do my life the best I could. That?s what I?ve tried to do."
And I would say that was a reasonable assumption. However, Did you ever say just drop in on the ole seed in Ft Lauderdale? I did and they treated me like I was the enemy, as they did many others. The truth is, once you left the seed, except in rare cases you were seen as "one of them", seedlings weren't allowed to talk to you, and otherwise the seed was suspicious of you.
Benevolent drug rehab/savior or freaky deaky little cult?
I think the answer is obvious.