Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Another WWASP death
WWFSMD:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-09 10:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This child is just another example of what youth hockey camp does to kids. This boy attended hockey camp last summer and now he is dead, we should close all hockey camps down!!!".
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If said hockey camp uses the same degradation and humiliation tactics, limits food intake as punishment, isolates kids from all outside and opposing viewpoints and engages in physical abuse to get their players to perform, then absolutely.
--- Quote ---Kids typically do this due to depression and can be triggered by social issues especially when one is young."
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and a simple "attitude problem" (read: most likely normal teen angst) is amplified 100x in a place like SCL and it can turn any bright, independent individual into a sullen, depressed and hopeless child creature.
Laws are like spider webs. If some poor weak creature comes up against them - it is caught. But the bigger one can break through and get away.
-- Solon; Greek philosopher - c.630-c.555 BC
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69:
--- Quote ---"This child is just another example of what youth hockey camp does to kids. This boy attended hockey camp last summer and now he is dead, we should close all hockey camps down!!!".
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How did that kid die?
Did his coach kill him? Did he kill himself because he couldn't stand practice anymore?
The kids on the list peviously posted in this thread died from staff incorrectly restraining them and the resulting aphysixiation, drownings, and some of common illnesses that no one today should die of.
Did the kid who died at hockey camp die because his coach tackled him and sat on top of him for so long he stopped breathing and died? Because that is how the majority of kids died on the list you are talking about.
There is a big difference between an accident playing sports, and an 'accident' involvolving a staff member subduing a student without proper training causing death.
Even if one player murdered another player - there is still a big difference between that and the situation we are describing here.
Do you still wish to maintain this comparison - if so - how did the hockey player die, is the coach at fault?
God grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, the good fortune to run into the ones I do, and the eyesight to tell the difference.
Perl Services
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[ This Message was edited by: Exit Plan on 2006-01-09 11:23 ]
TheWho:
--- Quote --- the suicide of Cory Murphy is known to be about WWASP. He was about to be sent back after being at WWASP. So, that leaves you with ONE questionable name on the list.
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But caused by WWASP? We dont know
--- Quote ---So, please, explain to all of us again- why should we ignore a list of 82 DEAD children because you have a problem with how two of them got on the list? Get real, please!
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I think I said "This is why the list of kids who died (that someone keeps posting) has no meaning because the only qualifications to make the list is dieing after attending a program and we are all going to die whether we attended or not.
I believe it references the list of kids not the kids themselves (big difference). If you add just one name that doesnt belong their it throws into question the entire list and renders it meaningless (or you have to research each name for accuracy which most people dont want to do).
--- Quote ---How can you say 'chances were it wasn't WWASP', while also arguing the point none of us know?
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I think I said "The testimonial was a snap shot in time of how he and his family were doing and it seems after SCL he was doing very well, probably much better than before he went in based on the wording. So chances are it wasnt SCL but another stimuli which caused this.
If you have 10 possibilities and I just quess at one I have a 10% chance of being right. So If I choose SCL as being the cause there is a 90% probability I am wrong, just basic statistics from raw data, it could just as well be a fight with his girlfriend or an onset of chemical imbalance of some sort.
I just dont see how you can tie the cause of everyones death back to one event in their lives. The kids died and that is sad but the list is bogus because it has no requirements or conditions in order to be added only the feeling of one person, unless someone does this each name will have to be researched by everyone who reads it which goes against the reason for the list to begin with, you should creat a list with a title and meaning i.e.
"Kids who died while in the care of Programs"
"Kids who died after attending programs by suicide"
"Kids who died by suicide who never attended a program"
or combine them all and deliniate by asterisks etc.
Then be clear on who can get added and who cant. This way the list will have some meaning and comparisons can be made.
But just posting a kids picture because he attended a program and died isnt right.
69:
--- Quote ---I believe it references the list of kids not the kids themselves (big difference)..
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Well seeing as the list is all that is left of these kids, as they can't speak up for themslevs, it will have to do for now. Why don't the programs keep their own records? Why isn't their a regulatory agency keeping track? Our govt. has statistics on pretty much everything else, why not this? Why do so-called legitimate programs need to donate so much money to political campaigns - why would a politicians ever be against helping kids, that you would need to influence them with money?
Your right, there is a big difference. These kids are no longer among the living.
--- Quote ---If you add just one name that doesnt belong their it throws into question the entire list and renders it meaningless (or you have to research each name for accuracy which most people dont want to do).
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I believe the name does belong there. So do many other people. It is you who has a problem with the name. So if you suspect any names on the list to be false, go ahead and do your research. Nobody is paying me enough to do it for you, believe me. If I was a parent about to send my kid way, I would. Wouldn't you? Or better yet, why not ask the programs to keep statistics about kids. Wonder why they don't. :smile:
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.
--Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-09 10:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
Antigen -- How can you possibly connect his death to SCL?
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Oh, I can't and I don't. How can you possibly connect these thousands of glowing parent testimonials to anything to do with these programs? You can't. They're meaningless. Fraudulent advertising, if ya ask me.
Same w/ a lot of the recent grads. Ya' know, when I got out of Straight during one of the more notorious HRS investigations, they asked me if I had been abused. I didn't know that I had been and so I declined to involve myself in the criminal investigation. Took me some years to understand that I didn't 'do all the necessary things' to get my nose busted and get sat on by half a dozen girls for a couple of hours just for refusing to make an insincere apology to Group for having tried to escape their 'help'.
In a culture based on the oppressive notion that people should be exploited for profit most people can't afford to understand what happened to us in str8.
starry-eyed pirate
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