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Offline TheWho

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« Reply #150 on: January 18, 2006, 10:24:00 PM »
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A parent needs to take responsibility for raising their own kid. If they really are honest to god that scared, there are far better options than these places. Including doing nothing. primum non nocere ****  







If you send your kid to a program who has a drug problem, and you get back a person who still has a drug problem and is now also dealing with abuse/trauma issues, that is worse than just having a drug problem.  I agree, "doing nothing" is probably better than calling WWASP.  If you're on this site, you know the deal, and you're sadistic if you actually sleep at night knowing your kid is at a WWASP program."
 Yes but there are other options/programs other than WWASP.
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« Reply #151 on: January 18, 2006, 10:36:00 PM »
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Even if only one child is saved by that one program which is a good match for his or her problem, it is worth all the money they are charging.

If they document the success of this one child they may be able, in time, to apply it to others.



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"Yeah, never mind the hundreds or thousands who've been Helped or even lives saved by these places. Look!!!! They had ONE kid who died so it MUST be horrorable industry that preys on people!



Wake up !



This isnt my point of view, all I am saying is its not black and white, not many things are. If you have been burned by a place it may be hard to be objective or stand back and see others' results and successes



I just quoted two people who were NEVER locked up in a WWASP gulag, because if they had been - they would bite their tongues immediately. Absolutely unbelievable the amount of arm-chair program supporters here... unbelievable. Why do find it necessary to discount the ONGOING abuse at WWASP? What do you gain? You are defending a notoriously abusive program the likes of which this country has never seen. This is a worldwide insitutionalized child abuse ring and here you people, with no experience think it's just dandy. I assume you are both agnostics or atheists because those statements are pure evil. :sad: "


Drama-rama (Honestly, I can almost hear the organ music rising to a crescendo  . . . "the likes of which this country has never seen!"), and you're a bigot besides. Do you really assume anyone who is atheist or agnostic is evil? That's ridiculous, and so is your claim about worldwide child abuse rings.
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« Reply #152 on: January 18, 2006, 10:50:00 PM »
I dont get these people who make fun of abuse and death. I will never get it. If you had been abused in a program you could not sleep at night making these horrible comments and I think they are perfectly appropriate. To make fun of kids who have obviously been abused is just plain sadistic.  ::noway::
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« Reply #153 on: January 18, 2006, 10:51:00 PM »
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Even if only one child is saved by that one program which is a good match for his or her problem, it is worth all the money they are charging.
If they document the success of this one child they may be able, in time, to apply it to others.


One of the stupidest things I've read here.
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« Reply #154 on: January 18, 2006, 10:55:00 PM »
Reading through this thread is heart-breaking. It's sad enough to learn of the deaths, abuse and horror stories coming from these programs, but even more disturbing at the amount of people who come here to ridicule those who were abused. It is despicable, and they should be ashamed. Obviously they have no respect that this is one of the only survivor forums, and come here to disrupt for their own laughs. This forum is a view into the darkside of the human soul, both the programs, and the type of people who support these programs.  ::puke::
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« Reply #155 on: January 18, 2006, 10:57:00 PM »
::noway::  ::noway::  ::noway:: The ridicule and minimization of death and abuse keeps going and going in this thread, that is unfortunate. I just can't rap my mind around what type of person goes on a child abuse survivor forum and pokes fun at people. It's just mind-boggling sick and weird.  ::puke::
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« Reply #156 on: January 18, 2006, 11:08:00 PM »
I'm sure glad that somebody found me before I bled out. After taking a razor to my wrist within a few months after being placed at Cross Creek Manor.....I layed in the bathroom in the basement of CCM. The blood had quagulated, and  I remember the door pushing open and I've never seen blood turn to jello. It was disgusting..........they took me to the hospital...and I was stitched up. I cried....I was held by someone I thought understood my pain? But, I was left to go through it all over again, and to be punished for what I did. It made it all worse.

Do I wear those scars still..........yes. Would you like me to take a picture and submit it to prove it to you?

They are all white now, but I am sure people have seen them. Nobody has ever said a comment to me, atleast to my face thank god!
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« Reply #157 on: January 18, 2006, 11:40:00 PM »
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I dont know, but if there isnt any, each of us gets to choose a position based on personal knowledge or people we know  or look to professionals to guide us.  If there is no evidence either?  I dont know

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Closing your eyes makes it go away?

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convinced that drug prohibition -- not drugs themselves -- are driving the HIV epidemic and the systemic crime that has swamped our criminal justice systems.
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« Reply #158 on: January 18, 2006, 11:43:00 PM »
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I would suspect that in a general sense the kids are doing better going to programs than if released to their own selves.  This is not my opinion, but may answer the questions of why the industry continues to thrive and run unregulated"


Yes, it is a growth industry. So are porn, gambling, fast food, quack diet and health products, prisons and war. That doesn't make any of them any good.

In any civilized society, it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws.  But at the same time, it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
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« Reply #159 on: January 19, 2006, 09:04:00 AM »
when did you get out of the jail/aka cross creek .. i have a loved one there and i have been trying to get her out, maybe you know her, i dream about her every night, that i break her out of the upstairs classroom down the stairs thru the volleyball court and over the fence and knock down beverly on the way out. please write me ..that places is a nightmare that needs to [email protected]
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« Reply #160 on: January 19, 2006, 12:43:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-18 19:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

" ::noway::  ::noway::  ::noway:: The ridicule and minimization of death and abuse keeps going and going in this thread, that is unfortunate. I just can't rap my mind around what type of person goes on a child abuse survivor forum and pokes fun at people. It's just mind-boggling sick and weird.  ::puke:: "


I looked through the last 5-6 pages and did not see any ridicule of people dieing.
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« Reply #161 on: January 19, 2006, 12:50:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-18 11:41:00, Anonymous wrote:





I dont know, but if there isnt any, each of us gets to choose a position based on personal knowledge or people we know  or look to professionals to guide us.  If there is no evidence either?  I dont know


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Closing your eyes makes it go away?

Being a street cop, witnessing the tragedy firsthand, I've become
convinced that drug prohibition -- not drugs themselves -- are driving the HIV epidemic and the systemic crime that has swamped our criminal justice systems.
--Vancouver Police Const. Gil Puder


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Antigen - Thats my point "Closing our eyes to what?"

All the success that some programs bring to families?

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All the pain that is brought on by some programs?

I have met many people who the programs have helped and maybe I am guilty of closing my eyes to the pain it has brought to others at times.
But it is clear that the opposite is true, also, that people who experienced pain from the programs have a difficult time seeing the benefits brought to others.
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« Reply #162 on: January 29, 2006, 08:50:00 PM »
It's interesting that you put Cory Landre on the list. His parents are strong supporters of the WWASP programs.. Have you ever heard of the Landre Foundation, they are at all the parents seminars
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« Reply #163 on: January 29, 2006, 09:43:00 PM »
It's CHRIS Landre, and I saw that he was forced to leave the program because of financial issues and yes, his parents do support the program.  Why wouldn't Chris Landre be on the list?  Chris Landre is just one deceased WWASP casualty, and people here are trying to prevent more deaths.  Lots of parents are clueless about the abuse that occurs in programs.  They wouldn't be the first ones deceived by WWASP.

The astonishing statistics cited by WWASP are actually a 97% PARENT satisfaction rate, meaning that 97% of parents don't regret forking over thousands to WWASP to incarcerate their kids.  The kids were never even asked about their opinions.  We all know how WWASP tricks parents, starting with enrollment, when they receive the bible of lies- the Parent Handbook.
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« Reply #164 on: January 29, 2006, 10:21:00 PM »
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"It's interesting that you put Cory Landre on the list. His parents are strong supporters of the WWASP programs.. Have you ever heard of the Landre Foundation, they are at all the parents seminars"


Every kid on the list had parents who supported the program they were in, obviously, otherwise they would have pulled their kid.
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