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Another WWASP death
TheWho:
**** Some people send their kids off because they're convinced that all drug use = abuse = an intractible, mortal, progressive disease that must be treated poste haste w/ toughlove stepcraft, by force if necessary. ****
I agree 100%, there are people like that.
***The trouble here is that there is no objective input into this very important decision. The parents are, as you note, quite distraught and not in any shape to enter into important agreements, the edcons and the program have their financial and ego incentives and the other parents are in the same boat you are, just a good many bends down the river already. ****
Thats why a parent may not want to make a rash or wrong decision and may opt for a therapist, if their family isnt already seeing one, to get a perfessional perspective.
*** Where's the objective assessment? Where's the evidence that the is the problem to begin with or that this particular form of treatment is likely to be helpful? ***
I dont know, but if there isnt any, each of us gets to choose a position based on personal knowledge or people we know or look to professionals to guide us. If there is no evidence either? I dont know
TheWho:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-18 11:26:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 09:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
If they document the success of this one child they may be able, in time, to apply it to others. "
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Yup, and you might ask yourself why, after over 30 years since NIDA and other public and private entities started kicking down big bags of bucks to this industry they haven't done that. Or why, after NIMH released their study last October, the industry isn't papering every town w/ copies, citations and references.
Of course, you'll lose your good standing within the Toughlove hategroup if you ask those sort of questions. But your kid might well apreciate it, even if it seems too late now. It's never too late to apologize, ya know.
Jails and prisons are the complement of schools; so many less as you have of the latter, so many more you must have of the former
--Horace Mann
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But in the same sense, after 30 years the industry is still growing. Maybe improving, I havent followed it that long.
Most of the major problems must be overblown because the industry, for the most part, is still unregulated.
I would suspect that in a general sense the kids are doing better going to programs than if released to their own selves. This is not my opinion, but may answer the questions of why the industry continues to thrive and run unregulated
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-18 11:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
But in the same sense, after 30 years the industry is still growing. Maybe improving, I havent followed it that long.
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:roll: Read this: http://www.nmha.org/children/justjuv/bootcamp.cfm
TheWho:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-18 12:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 11:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
But in the same sense, after 30 years the industry is still growing. Maybe improving, I havent followed it that long.
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:roll: Read this: http://www.nmha.org/children/justjuv/bootcamp.cfm"
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I guess I could buy some of that as it relates to Boot camps or wilderness programs. I sort of lean more towards TBS's. Short term boot camps, beat them up straighten them out approach will eventually fade out if it isnt followed by something more therapeutic to help people transition back into society.
**** most youth can be managed in their communities while they receive a full range of rehabilitative services, including mental health and substance abuse treatment. ****
This article was written by mental health professionals so I would expect them to find boot camps to be harsh, I agree with them, but it may be a little biased.
Anonymous:
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A parent needs to take responsibility for raising their own kid. If they really are honest to god that scared, there are far better options than these places. Including doing nothing. primum non nocere ****
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If you send your kid to a program who has a drug problem, and you get back a person who still has a drug problem and is now also dealing with abuse/trauma issues, that is worse than just having a drug problem. I agree, "doing nothing" is probably better than calling WWASP. If you're on this site, you know the deal, and you're sadistic if you actually sleep at night knowing your kid is at a WWASP program.
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