Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Another WWASP death
TheWho:
***Yeah, never mind the hundreds or thousands who've been severely damaged or even destroyed by these places. Look!!!! They helped ONE kid so it MUST be good and noble!
WAKE UP!****
Thats the problem with only being able to see it from one point of view. It could easily be said:
"Yeah, never mind the hundreds or thousands who've been Helped or even lives saved by these places. Look!!!! They had ONE kid who died so it MUST be horrorable industry that preys on people!
Wake up !
This isnt my point of view, all I am saying is its not black and white, not many things are. If you have been burned by a place it may be hard to be objective or stand back and see others' results and successes
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---Even if only one child is saved by that one program which is a good match for his or her problem, it is worth all the money they are charging.
If they document the success of this one child they may be able, in time, to apply it to others.
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--- Quote ---"Yeah, never mind the hundreds or thousands who've been Helped or even lives saved by these places. Look!!!! They had ONE kid who died so it MUST be horrorable industry that preys on people!
Wake up !
This isnt my point of view, all I am saying is its not black and white, not many things are. If you have been burned by a place it may be hard to be objective or stand back and see others' results and successes
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I just quoted two people who were NEVER locked up in a WWASP gulag, because if they had been - they would bite their tongues immediately. Absolutely unbelievable the amount of arm-chair program supporters here... unbelievable. Why do find it necessary to discount the ONGOING abuse at WWASP? What do you gain? You are defending a notoriously abusive program the likes of which this country has never seen. This is a worldwide insitutionalized child abuse ring and here you people, with no experience think it's just dandy. I assume you are both agnostics or atheists because those statements are pure evil. :sad:
TheWho:
I am not a WWASP Supporter. I found this thread because of the death that occured and was interested in the details.
I am speaking about (and my points were towards)programs in general, not any specific ones. There have been deaths in other programs as well, not just WWASPs
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-18 08:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
No you didnt read what I said. They are there because of need not desire. Its not a desire on the parents part.
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Some people send their kids off because they're convinced that all drug use = abuse = an intractible, mortal, progressive disease that must be treated poste haste w/ toughlove stepcraft, by force if necessary.
Then, once the kid's gone and they riffle through what he thought was his private stuff, they find "evidence" in the form of violent or otherwise upsetting pictures or words. "See there? He was planning to violently kill the stepmonster (ehr, I mean, my darling, nurturing, blameless new wife) and he even drew a diagram!!!
How do you determine what the kid needs? Who gets to speak on the issue? If it's a toughlove Synanon style program (as the vast majority of programs in the troubled parent industry seem to be) then the kid has no sayso and neither do family and friends nor professionals nor cops or anyone else who disagrees or even questions the Program. "Trust the process, just trust the process!" They'll continue to alternately stroke and swat you depending on how closely you tow their line. You're a good, brave and loving parent for exactly as long as you "trust the process."
The trouble here is that there is no objective input into this very important decision. The parents are, as you note, quite distraught and not in any shape to enter into important agreements, the edcons and the program have their financial and ego incentives and the other parents are in the same boat you are, just a good many bends down the river already.
Where's the objective assessment? Where's the evidence that the is the problem to begin with or that this particular form of treatment is likely to be helpful?
Don't you find it really disturbing that they continue to point to those thank you letters which they assign the parents to write as part of their seminars as evidence of an army of happy parents? Don't they have anything better?
A slipping gear could let your M203 grenade launcher fire when you least expect it. That would make you quite unpopular in what's left of your unit.
-- In the August 1993 issue, page 9, of PS magazine, the Army's magazine of preventive maintenance
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-18 09:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
If they document the success of this one child they may be able, in time, to apply it to others. "
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Yup, and you might ask yourself why, after over 30 years since NIDA and other public and private entities started kicking down big bags of bucks to this industry they haven't done that. Or why, after NIMH released their study last October, the industry isn't papering every town w/ copies, citations and references.
Of course, you'll lose your good standing within the Toughlove hategroup if you ask those sort of questions. But your kid might well apreciate it, even if it seems too late now. It's never too late to apologize, ya know.
Jails and prisons are the complement of schools; so many less as you have of the latter, so many more you must have of the former
--Horace Mann
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