Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Another WWASP death
TheWho:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-11 07:29:00, Exit Plan wrote:
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No, both are examples of getting slammed. You have experience in one and she has an experience in another. They are both very real to the person getting slammed, try not to minimalize a persons experience and how it affected them.
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I have experience in both versions of 'getting slammed', and I can tell you right now, the two aren't comparable. This is an internet forum where lively debate takes place, if you can't handle that - you would of killed yourself after a WWASP seminar. If you refuse to participate there Gilcrease would send ya to the hobbit. That's an isolation cell that is disgusting. Why lock kids up like that?
Would you come to this forum if the anti-program folks here had the power to lock you up in a tiny cell for as long as they wish - just because you don't accept their views? There'd be a lot of locked up parents, wouldn't you say? That's exactly the situation at SCL. So please, don't tell me about my own experiences. Almost all posters who have spent time here have been slammed, nobody is denying that. However, those of us who have experienced both seminars and fornits laugh at your comparison it's so off-base. What a ridiculous analogy to make. :roll:
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I think this is what the person was refering to:
--- Quote ---You are hardly getting slammed. Getting slammed is going to a WWASP seminar facilitated by Gilcrease and being verbally humiliated and torn down emotionally in front of a hundred strangers.
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You shouldnt minimalize or try to tell someone else how they should feel. If a person feels slammed they feel slammed. You cant compare and say your experience was worse or better. They may feel worse than being humiliated in front of hundred strangers, its not for us to say.
Just accept someones feelings
TheWho:
--- Quote ---Parents with college degrees and years of parenting experience show they're giving up in a sense by sending their kids away.
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This is true. A parent sometimes gets to the point where they feel they cant help their son or daughter anymore or protect them from the choices they are making. They have tried everything they know and have been taught and their child and the family is still in crisis.
The only logical next step is to seek outside help, someone who can step in and help and that is where these TBS can become an asset. It is buyer beware like anything else, research, get advice and choose a place that is safe and a good match for your family. There are kids dieing of overdoses, aids, running away never to return also, so each choice is a risk. The trick is which one to choose for someone you love.
Anonymous:
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You shouldnt minimalize or try to tell someone else how they should feel. If a person feels slammed they feel slammed. You cant compare and say your experience was worse or better. They may feel worse than being humiliated in front of hundred strangers, its not for us to say.
Just accept someones feelings
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can you quote where this person was slammed.. i dont see it? does anyone else see it? it sounds more like an excuse to not answer the dozens of unanswerable questions posed by many people. ive seen the "stop abusing me" so im leaving shit before... nothing knew. stand up for your beliefs if you believe this program works. dont make excuses. wheres the slamming going on here?
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-11 19:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
This is true. A parent sometimes gets to the point where they feel they cant help their son or daughter anymore or protect them from the choices they are making. They have tried everything they know and have been taught and their child and the family is still in crisis.
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Yes. I'd even venture to guess that damned near every parent reaches that point sometimes. Sane people love them anyway. It takes a real freak to ship them off to be denutted like a poorly behaved dog.
And I don't care if you take that personally and find it offensive. If you don't want to read things like that, well then you'll have to stick w/ Lon's site and Program approved websites. Pretty much the rest of the civilized world seems to feel the same way once they understand what we're talking about.
Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
-- Emo Phillips
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TheWho:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-17 22:36:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2006-01-11 19:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
This is true. A parent sometimes gets to the point where they feel they cant help their son or daughter anymore or protect them from the choices they are making. They have tried everything they know and have been taught and their child and the family is still in crisis.
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Yes. I'd even venture to guess that damned near every parent reaches that point sometimes. Sane people love them anyway. It takes a real freak to ship them off to be denutted like a poorly behaved dog.
And I don't care if you take that personally and find it offensive. If you don't want to read things like that, well then you'll have to stick w/ Lon's site and Program approved websites. Pretty much the rest of the civilized world seems to feel the same way once they understand what we're talking about.
Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
-- Emo Phillips
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Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82"
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What I read is the person has tried everything they know to help their child and the family is still in crisis. I would disagree that very few families get to the point of having to ask for outside help to keep their children safe. How does this relate to not loving your child? If your child gets sick and you have exhausted everything you know of to help him, exhausted all your personal time at work to stay with him and he isnt getting any better or maybe getting worse, would it be unloving to seek outside help? Would you consider this shipping him off to like a dog?
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