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« on: December 19, 2005, 09:06:00 PM »
Everyone please post the casualties for prospective parents to see, this cannot be swept under the rug.  Sadly, we need to compile one long list.

Taken from another site:  "BTW if you knew Tony Shipacaski ... he hung himself man... thats crazy so keep prayers for his mom shes lost her daughter son and husband now."

Tony Shipacaski, a former WWASP captive, now another WWASP casualty.

You are in our prayers.
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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2005, 09:14:00 PM »
I didn't find any news links. Anyone else?
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2005, 09:33:00 PM »
It's posted on the Myspace group "we hate programs", maybe we can find out if the name is a misspelling.
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2005, 09:37:00 PM »
PARTIAL LIST:

LIST OF DEATHS IN FACILITIES
There is no federal or state agency that tracks the number of deaths or the cause of death in residential youth facilities. Every effort has been made to ensure accuracy.
Legislation passed in 2000 by Congress (Children's Health Act 2000) that requires treatment facilities who receive federal funds to report deaths caused by restraints and seclusion procedures within 24 hours after the child has been removed from restraint or seclusion or when it is reasonable to assume the death is a result of the restraint or seclusion.  
Click here for articles.

Name
Age at Death/
Date if Available
Facility
Ryan Lewis
14 years old
2/13/2001
Alldredge Academy
Committed suicide by hanging  

Jamar Griffiths
15 years old
10/18/94
Allen Residential Center
Breathing was obstructed while being restrained...Traumatic asphyxia and brain death from lack of oxygen due to heart and lung failure

Anthony ?Tony? Haynes
14 years old
7/1/2001
America's Buffalo Soldiers (Arizona)
Dehydration and near drowning

Travis Parker
13 years old
Appalachian Wilderness Camp
Restrained l l/2 hours.  Denied request for asthma med

Lorenzo Johnson
17 years old
6/27/94
Arizona Boys Ranch
Drowned while trying to escape

Nicholaus Contreras
16 years old 3/2/98
Arizona Boys Ranch
Prolonged and serious medical neglect and openly abusive treatment per investigative summary

Dawn Renay Perry
16 years old  4/10/93
Behavior Training Research
Restraint

Anthony Green
15 years old 5/21/91
Brookhaven Youth Ranch
Restrained face down for 15 minutes  Asphyxiation

Corey Baines
16 years old  3/26/03
Catherine Freer Wilderness Expeditions
Tree limb fell on tent while he was sleeping

Erica Harvey
15 years old
5/27/2002
Catherine Freer Wilderness Program
Hyperthermia with dehydration

Kristen Chase
16 years old
6/27/90
Challenger Foundation
Heatstroke

Tristan Sovern
16 years old
4/19/98
Charter Behavioral Health
Asphyxiation during restraint

Earl Smith
9 years old
1/11/95
Children's Village
Asphyxiation due to chest compression during restraint

Casey Collier
17 years old
12/93
Cleo Wallace Center
Restraint   Asphyxia

Jeffery Demetrius
17 years old
8/26/97
Crockett State School
Strangulation while in restraint hold

Charles Collins, Jr.
15 years old
Crossroads for Youth

Jimmy Kanda
16 years old ? 9/20/97
Crow's Nest Family Care
Strangulation while in restraint hold  911 had to talk staff thru CPR

Latasha Bush
15 years old
2/14/2002
Daystar Residential Treatment Center
Complications of mechanical asphyxia    Restraint

Edith Campos
15 years old
2/4/98
Desert Hills
Restraint   Asphyxia

Robert Rollins
12 years old
4/21/97
Devereaux School
Asphyxiation while restrained after a dispute about his teddy bear

Michael Ibarra-Wiltsie
12 years old  2/5/2000
Eckert Youth Alternatives
Asphyxia -- Restraint  sat on by 320 pound counselor

Andrew McClain


11 years old
3/22/98
Elmcrest Psychiatric Hospital
Traumatic asphyxia and chest compression   Restraint

Candace Newmaker
10 years old 4/18/2000
Evergreen Attachment Center
Rebirthing

Roxanna Gray
17 years old
7/6/89
Family and Children's Center
Restrained Face Down on a Pillow    Suffocation

Sakena Dorsey
19 years old
6/10/97
Foundation Behavioral
Suffocation during face down restraint with staff member laying across her back...history of asthma

Chris Campbell
13 years old  11/2/97
Iowa Juvenile Home
Restrained 4 times in her last 24 hours....Cause of Death undetermined

Jason Tallman
12 years old
5/12/93
KidsPeace
Restrained Face down on pillow
Suffocation

Mark Draheim
14 years old
12/98
KidsPeace
Asphyxiation while being forcibly restrained by 3 staff

Maria Mendoza
14 years old ? 10/12/2002
Krause Children's Center
Restraint

Randy Steele
9 years old
2/6/2000
Laurel Ridge
Restraint...in the scuffle he vomited then stopped breathing.  After reviving he was transferred to a hospital where he died the next day.  Had been restrained 25 times in 28 days prior to death.

Rochelle Clayborne
16 years old 8/18/97
Laurel Ridge
Pinned down by aids and given tranquilizer  cardiac arrhythmia

Wauketta Wallace
12 years old
7/11/89
Marysville Academy
Postural asphyxia and stress due to restraint

Cedric Napoleaon
14 years old  3/7/2002
Mason Middle School
Restraint

Will Futrelle
15 years old 
3/25/96
Mountain Park Baptist Academy
Murdered by other students

Kristal Mayon-Cenceros
16 years old 2/5/99
New Alternatives
Restrained face down by 4 staff

Shinaul McGraw
12 years old
6/5/97
New Directions 2nd Chance
Hyperthermia after restraint in a bed wrapped in a bed sheet with gauze over mouth

Jeffrey Bogrett
9 years old  12/1/95
New England Center for Autism
Sudden Death during Restraint

Jerry McLaurin
14 years old  11/2/99
New Horizons Ranch
Restraint

Sabrina E. Day
15 years old
2/10/2000
North Carolina Group Home
Restraint

Aaron Wright Bacon
16 years old  3/31/94
Northstar Expeditions Wilderness Program
Untreated Peritonitis *

Bobby Sue Thomas
17 years old  8/16/96
Northwood Childrens Home
Acute cardiac arrhythmia while restrained

William "Eddie" Lee
15 years old 9/18/2000
Obsidian Trails Wilderness Camp
Injury to Vertebral Artery at base of skull after being restrained by counselors

Eric Roberts
16 years old ? 2/22/96
Odyssey Harbor
Wrapped in plastic foam blanket for one hour  stopped breathing due to pressure on chest according to autopsy

Charles "Chase" Moody
17 years old
10/14/02
On Track Wilderness Therapy
The Brown School (CEDU affiliated)
Asphyxiation by restraint

Gina Score
14 years old
1990
Plankinton Boot Camp
Collapsed (hyperthermia), left out in sun for 3 hours....internal temp at least 108

Chad Andrew Frenza
16 years old
Polk County Boot Camp

Melissa Neyman
19 years old
7/24/97
(Judith Young Adult Family Home (private group home in Washington)  Climbed out a window and became entangled in straps of restraint.  Had been dead 6 hours before workers noticed her hanging from window.

Bobby Jo Randolf
17 years old  9/26/96 
Progressive Youth Center 
Asphyxia due to pressure on neck by 2 staff

Jamie Young
13 years old
Ramsey Canyon
Heatstroke  dehydration

Katherine Lank
16 years old 1/13/2002
Red Rock Ranch Academy
Slipped and fell down crevice while hiking, suffered massive head trauma, died 3 weeks later.

Paul Choy
16 years old
1992
Rites of Passage
Restraint

Chris Brown
16 years old  3/7/98
Robert Land Academy
Matt Toppi
17 years old
3/7/98
Robert Land Academy
John Avila
Age unknown
7/25/94
Rocky Mountain Academy
Diane Harris
17 years old 
4/11/90
Sequin Community Living Center
Violently Restrained

Stephanie Duffield
16 years old
2/11/01
Shiloh Residential Treatment Center
Restraint

Ian August
14 years old
7/13/2002
Skyline Journey
Hyperthermia   Hiking

Willie Wright
9 years old  
2/4/2000
Southwest Mental Health
Stopped breathing while in restraint

Christy Scheck
13 years old
3/6/92
Southwood Psychiatric Hospital
Hung herself while on suicide watch

Joshua Ferarini
13 years old
1/8/89
St. Aemelian Hospital
Facedown restraint, suffocation

Michelle Lynn Sutton
15 years old
5/9/90
Summit Quest
Dehydration

Bryan Dale Alexander
18 years old
Texas Correctional Services
Pneumonia

Brandon Haden
18 years old  
1998
Texas Neurological Rehab. Center
Roberto Reyes
15 years old 11/3/04
Thayer Learning Center
Probable spider bite and lack of medical care

Laura Hanson
17 years old  11/19/98
Unknown
Carlos Ruiz
13 years old 12/16/94
Vision Quest
Charles Lucas
16 years old ? 11/24/80
Vision Quest
Drowning

Danny Lewis
16 years old
6/89
Vision Quest
Dawnne Takeuchi
18 years old
6/25/95
Vision Quest
Eric David Schibley
17 years old  11/24/80
Vision Quest 
Drowning

James Lamb
14 years old
11/24/80
Vision Quest
Drowning

Leon Anger
Age unknown 9/16/84
Vision Quest
Robert Zimmerman
17 years old
11/24/80
Vision Quest 
Drowning

Tammy Edmiston
Age Unknown
9/11/82
Vision Quest
Bernard Reefer
Unsure
VisionQuest

John Vincent Garrison
18 years old
VisionQuest

Lyle Foodroy
Age unknown
VisionQuest
Drowning; boat capsized off Baha during storm

Mario Cano
16 years old
VisionQuest
Blood clot while doing calisthenics

Robert Doyle Erwin
15 years old
VisionQuest
Drowning

Mark Soares
16 years old
4/29/98
Wayside Union Academy
Cardiac arrest from physical restraint

Leroy Prinkley
14 years old 9/28/88
Western Center
Cerebral anoxia caused by heart and lung failure due to forceful restraint

Joshua Sharpe
17 years old  12/28/99
Wisconsin Treatment Center
Restraint

Christopher Landre
16 years old
6/12/97
WWASP - Paradise Cove
Suicide

Corey William Murphy
17 years old
3/21/2000
WWASP - Spring Creek Lodge
Suicide

Karlye Newman
16 years old  10/8/2004
WWASP - Spring Creek Lodge Academy
Suicide by hanging (read article)

Valerie Ann Heron
17 years old
8/10/2001
WWASP - Tranquility Bay
Jumped to death; question if suicide

Thomas Mapes
17 years old
7/8/94 
Youth Center of Topeka 
Asphyxiation; handcuffed, pushed face down on floor

                               * Peritonitis is infection (or inflammation) of the peritoneum, which is a two-layered membrane covering both the surfaces of the
                                 organs that lie in the abdominal cavity and the inner surface of the abdominal cavity itself. It is frequently life-threatening and
                                 acute peritonitis in a medical emergency. Outlook for untreated peritonitis is very poor.
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2005, 09:42:00 PM »
And that list is only those who died INSIDE.  We, program graduates, need to post the deaths after the program for parents to see.
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2005, 09:43:00 PM »
When parents stop putting their kids in programs and when people come to grips with what's really going on behind closed doors.

Yes, the deaths are horrible and very sad. It's the worse of the worse, I can't even imagine what a parent and other family members go through when they lose a child. But imagine how horrible it must be for your child to die at the hands of someone you paid to care for them. Parents, please beware. There are really some very bad places out there.

And there are far more casualties than these and the other deaths that are not listed here. The casualties are the living - the kids who have to endure the program, the people who abuse them and mistreat them, and then life afterwards. They have a reality like none other.

Imagine adults being imprisoned without ever even getting a fair trial, never getting to talk to an attorney, it wouldn't fly. So why is it OK for parents to basically do the same to their children? The thing that really galls me is that many of these kids are not the druggies people envision, they are not brats, they are not bad kids. Many are normal kids with parents who have serious problems. These kids are thrown into a world of hell because their parents don't want to deal with them for whatever their reasons. It's truly sickening.

I just hope the world learns about these places before we lose more kids and before more kids lives are messed up in the name of treatment.
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2005, 09:50:00 PM »
One account from WWASP's Cross Creek:  http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/let ... anche.html:

"She told me she had tried to commit suicide while she was there and no doctor was called. She said she was put in isolation and laid on a concrete floor for hours while throwing up. The children are frequently placed in isolation according to my granddaughter, and are locked up for indefinite times with nothing but a concrete floor to lie on. She indicated she was threatened with "consequences" as they call them, if she testified against them in court."
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2005, 10:18:00 AM »
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On 2005-12-19 18:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"PARTIAL LIST:



LIST OF DEATHS IN FACILITIES

There is no federal or state agency that tracks the number of deaths or the cause of death in residential youth facilities. Every effort has been made to ensure accuracy.

Legislation passed in 2000 by Congress (Children's Health Act 2000) that requires treatment facilities who receive federal funds to report deaths caused by restraints and seclusion procedures within 24 hours after the child has been removed from restraint or seclusion or when it is reasonable to assume the death is a result of the restraint or seclusion.  

Click here for articles.



Name

Age at Death/

Date if Available

Facility

Ryan Lewis

14 years old

2/13/2001

Alldredge Academy

Committed suicide by hanging  



Jamar Griffiths

15 years old

10/18/94

Allen Residential Center

Breathing was obstructed while being restrained...Traumatic asphyxia and brain death from lack of oxygen due to heart and lung failure



Anthony ?Tony? Haynes

14 years old

7/1/2001

America's Buffalo Soldiers (Arizona)

Dehydration and near drowning



Travis Parker

13 years old

Appalachian Wilderness Camp

Restrained l l/2 hours.  Denied request for asthma med



Lorenzo Johnson

17 years old

6/27/94

Arizona Boys Ranch

Drowned while trying to escape



Nicholaus Contreras

16 years old 3/2/98

Arizona Boys Ranch

Prolonged and serious medical neglect and openly abusive treatment per investigative summary



Dawn Renay Perry

16 years old  4/10/93

Behavior Training Research

Restraint



Anthony Green

15 years old 5/21/91

Brookhaven Youth Ranch

Restrained face down for 15 minutes  Asphyxiation



Corey Baines

16 years old  3/26/03

Catherine Freer Wilderness Expeditions

Tree limb fell on tent while he was sleeping



Erica Harvey

15 years old

5/27/2002

Catherine Freer Wilderness Program

Hyperthermia with dehydration



Kristen Chase

16 years old

6/27/90

Challenger Foundation

Heatstroke



Tristan Sovern

16 years old

4/19/98

Charter Behavioral Health

Asphyxiation during restraint



Earl Smith

9 years old

1/11/95

Children's Village

Asphyxiation due to chest compression during restraint



Casey Collier

17 years old

12/93

Cleo Wallace Center

Restraint   Asphyxia



Jeffery Demetrius

17 years old

8/26/97

Crockett State School

Strangulation while in restraint hold



Charles Collins, Jr.

15 years old

Crossroads for Youth



Jimmy Kanda

16 years old ? 9/20/97

Crow's Nest Family Care

Strangulation while in restraint hold  911 had to talk staff thru CPR



Latasha Bush

15 years old

2/14/2002

Daystar Residential Treatment Center

Complications of mechanical asphyxia    Restraint



Edith Campos

15 years old

2/4/98

Desert Hills

Restraint   Asphyxia



Robert Rollins

12 years old

4/21/97

Devereaux School

Asphyxiation while restrained after a dispute about his teddy bear



Michael Ibarra-Wiltsie

12 years old  2/5/2000

Eckert Youth Alternatives

Asphyxia -- Restraint  sat on by 320 pound counselor



Andrew McClain





11 years old

3/22/98

Elmcrest Psychiatric Hospital

Traumatic asphyxia and chest compression   Restraint



Candace Newmaker

10 years old 4/18/2000

Evergreen Attachment Center

Rebirthing



Roxanna Gray

17 years old

7/6/89

Family and Children's Center

Restrained Face Down on a Pillow    Suffocation



Sakena Dorsey

19 years old

6/10/97

Foundation Behavioral

Suffocation during face down restraint with staff member laying across her back...history of asthma



Chris Campbell

13 years old  11/2/97

Iowa Juvenile Home

Restrained 4 times in her last 24 hours....Cause of Death undetermined



Jason Tallman

12 years old

5/12/93

KidsPeace

Restrained Face down on pillow

Suffocation



Mark Draheim

14 years old

12/98

KidsPeace

Asphyxiation while being forcibly restrained by 3 staff



Maria Mendoza

14 years old ? 10/12/2002

Krause Children's Center

Restraint



Randy Steele

9 years old

2/6/2000

Laurel Ridge

Restraint...in the scuffle he vomited then stopped breathing.  After reviving he was transferred to a hospital where he died the next day.  Had been restrained 25 times in 28 days prior to death.



Rochelle Clayborne

16 years old 8/18/97

Laurel Ridge

Pinned down by aids and given tranquilizer  cardiac arrhythmia



Wauketta Wallace

12 years old

7/11/89

Marysville Academy

Postural asphyxia and stress due to restraint



Cedric Napoleaon

14 years old  3/7/2002

Mason Middle School

Restraint



Will Futrelle

15 years old 

3/25/96

Mountain Park Baptist Academy

Murdered by other students



Kristal Mayon-Cenceros

16 years old 2/5/99

New Alternatives

Restrained face down by 4 staff



Shinaul McGraw

12 years old

6/5/97

New Directions 2nd Chance

Hyperthermia after restraint in a bed wrapped in a bed sheet with gauze over mouth



Jeffrey Bogrett

9 years old  12/1/95

New England Center for Autism

Sudden Death during Restraint



Jerry McLaurin

14 years old  11/2/99

New Horizons Ranch

Restraint



Sabrina E. Day

15 years old

2/10/2000

North Carolina Group Home

Restraint



Aaron Wright Bacon

16 years old  3/31/94

Northstar Expeditions Wilderness Program

Untreated Peritonitis *



Bobby Sue Thomas

17 years old  8/16/96

Northwood Childrens Home

Acute cardiac arrhythmia while restrained



William "Eddie" Lee

15 years old 9/18/2000

Obsidian Trails Wilderness Camp

Injury to Vertebral Artery at base of skull after being restrained by counselors



Eric Roberts

16 years old ? 2/22/96

Odyssey Harbor

Wrapped in plastic foam blanket for one hour  stopped breathing due to pressure on chest according to autopsy



Charles "Chase" Moody

17 years old

10/14/02

On Track Wilderness Therapy

The Brown School (CEDU affiliated)

Asphyxiation by restraint



Gina Score

14 years old

1990

Plankinton Boot Camp

Collapsed (hyperthermia), left out in sun for 3 hours....internal temp at least 108



Chad Andrew Frenza

16 years old

Polk County Boot Camp



Melissa Neyman

19 years old

7/24/97

(Judith Young Adult Family Home (private group home in Washington)  Climbed out a window and became entangled in straps of restraint.  Had been dead 6 hours before workers noticed her hanging from window.



Bobby Jo Randolf

17 years old  9/26/96 

Progressive Youth Center 

Asphyxia due to pressure on neck by 2 staff



Jamie Young

13 years old

Ramsey Canyon

Heatstroke  dehydration



Katherine Lank

16 years old 1/13/2002

Red Rock Ranch Academy

Slipped and fell down crevice while hiking, suffered massive head trauma, died 3 weeks later.



Paul Choy

16 years old

1992

Rites of Passage

Restraint



Chris Brown

16 years old  3/7/98

Robert Land Academy

Matt Toppi

17 years old

3/7/98

Robert Land Academy

John Avila

Age unknown

7/25/94

Rocky Mountain Academy

Diane Harris

17 years old 

4/11/90

Sequin Community Living Center

Violently Restrained



Stephanie Duffield

16 years old

2/11/01

Shiloh Residential Treatment Center

Restraint



Ian August

14 years old

7/13/2002

Skyline Journey

Hyperthermia   Hiking



Willie Wright

9 years old  

2/4/2000

Southwest Mental Health

Stopped breathing while in restraint



Christy Scheck

13 years old

3/6/92

Southwood Psychiatric Hospital

Hung herself while on suicide watch



Joshua Ferarini

13 years old

1/8/89

St. Aemelian Hospital

Facedown restraint, suffocation



Michelle Lynn Sutton

15 years old

5/9/90

Summit Quest

Dehydration



Bryan Dale Alexander

18 years old

Texas Correctional Services

Pneumonia



Brandon Haden

18 years old  

1998

Texas Neurological Rehab. Center

Roberto Reyes

15 years old 11/3/04

Thayer Learning Center

Probable spider bite and lack of medical care



Laura Hanson

17 years old  11/19/98

Unknown

Carlos Ruiz

13 years old 12/16/94

Vision Quest

Charles Lucas

16 years old ? 11/24/80

Vision Quest

Drowning



Danny Lewis

16 years old

6/89

Vision Quest

Dawnne Takeuchi

18 years old

6/25/95

Vision Quest

Eric David Schibley

17 years old  11/24/80

Vision Quest 

Drowning



James Lamb

14 years old

11/24/80

Vision Quest

Drowning



Leon Anger

Age unknown 9/16/84

Vision Quest

Robert Zimmerman

17 years old

11/24/80

Vision Quest 

Drowning



Tammy Edmiston

Age Unknown

9/11/82

Vision Quest

Bernard Reefer

Unsure

VisionQuest



John Vincent Garrison

18 years old

VisionQuest



Lyle Foodroy

Age unknown

VisionQuest

Drowning; boat capsized off Baha during storm



Mario Cano

16 years old

VisionQuest

Blood clot while doing calisthenics



Robert Doyle Erwin

15 years old

VisionQuest

Drowning



Mark Soares

16 years old

4/29/98

Wayside Union Academy

Cardiac arrest from physical restraint



Leroy Prinkley

14 years old 9/28/88

Western Center

Cerebral anoxia caused by heart and lung failure due to forceful restraint



Joshua Sharpe

17 years old  12/28/99

Wisconsin Treatment Center

Restraint



Christopher Landre

16 years old

6/12/97

WWASP - Paradise Cove

Suicide



Corey William Murphy

17 years old

3/21/2000

WWASP - Spring Creek Lodge

Suicide



Karlye Newman

16 years old  10/8/2004

WWASP - Spring Creek Lodge Academy

Suicide by hanging (read article)



Valerie Ann Heron

17 years old

8/10/2001

WWASP - Tranquility Bay

Jumped to death; question if suicide



Thomas Mapes

17 years old

7/8/94 

Youth Center of Topeka 

Asphyxiation; handcuffed, pushed face down on floor



                               * Peritonitis is infection (or inflammation) of the peritoneum, which is a two-layered membrane covering both the surfaces of the

                                 organs that lie in the abdominal cavity and the inner surface of the abdominal cavity itself. It is frequently life-threatening and

                                 acute peritonitis in a medical emergency. Outlook for untreated peritonitis is very poor.

"


There may be a place for this sort of thing, but the first issue is accuracy, and this is not accurate.

Some of these kids did NOT die in programs. Several had not even been in a program for months or even years. Some of the places listed aren't even programs. The large number who died from drowning were all in a car wreck.

This kind of intentional inaccuracy is one of the things that keeps folks from believing TRUE reports, people!
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2005, 11:21:00 AM »
If you're going to make such a declaration, then you must have some links to support it? Particularly 'drowning in a car wreck'.
List those you consider to be inaccurate.
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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2005, 11:50:00 AM »
Corey Murphy did not die AT Spring Creek.  Please check your facts before printing false statements. :roll:
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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2005, 11:57:00 AM »
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On 2005-12-20 08:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Corey Murphy did not die AT Spring Creek.  Please check your facts before printing false statements. :roll: "

Your pedantry does not alter the fact that he died because of WWASP.  He killed himself to avoid being sent back.
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2005, 11:59:00 AM »
By the way, Corey was one of those program "graduates" you people keep harping on about.
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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2005, 12:25:00 PM »
This type of thread is where the program trolls REALLY show their true colors. They belittle the murders and deaths of innocent children and pretend none of them are real.

Don't ya just love these people?  :roll:
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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2005, 12:50:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-20 09:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This type of thread is where the program trolls REALLY show their true colors. They belittle the murders and deaths of innocent children and pretend none of them are real.



Don't ya just love these people?  :roll: "
What the guy is saying is you should be clear about your list.  Its very misleading to add kids to the list that died after leaving the program.  What is your message?  Can we add kids that died in a car crash because their mind wandered and they were thinking about the program they were in and went off the road 15 years after they left the program?  Can we remove kids from the list if we feel they would have died sooner if they hadnt gone into a program, extending their lives for 2 more years?
If you put a list out and expect people to believe it you should be very clear.  Put an astisk next to names of kids that died after leaving the program, maybe a double astisk if its been over 20 years for example.
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2005, 02:09:00 PM »
Oh stop trying to change the subject. Who listed here died of a car cash??? If a kid kills themselves while awaiting being sent back to the program, YES, I for one think that should be included. It would be a lot easier if these places kept a list and records for all to see. Or if there were some kind of regulatory agency who kept records, or anything. But there is nothing, so the best anyone can do is paste together information from newspaper articles, and first hand accounts. If you as so concerned with accuracy, go work to change the structure of these programs as many of us are doing. Obviously you have no interest in that though!  :wink:

If anything - there are many MORE dead that we don't know about. Take your spin elsewhere, and go read the list on the first page and think long and hard about why you support these murderous programs.
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