Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
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RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---On 2005-12-31 18:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Typical and predictable response. Those are just the numbers I could come up with off the top of my head.
One funny thing... It is quite humorous to see some of these folks post hateful things on here and then a few days later have them call the school asking to talk with their former counselors about their lives. Obviously, i am not going to give names for confidentiality reasons, but they know who they are.
So funny."
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HLA doesnt care about confidentiality. Why would you now?
Not that it matters. According to you there are only three former students who are anti HLA on here. I know my counselors arent there anymore. I dont imagien Dan's would be either. So that leaves George. Let's ask him if he called to talk his counselors recently.
George?
Anonymous:
Also these pointless fights you mentioned. Take a closer look. They end with us posing questions to the pro HLA people, questions they cannot answer, because to do so would expose the truth.>>>>
RB dear,
ironically, this poster would be the one who claimed to be an ex-counselor and answered a long list of questions you posed.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 240#158140
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---On 2005-12-31 21:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-31 21:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Uh, I'm not for hire, or are you trying to manipulate me to do your leg work? "
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That's fine. Just giving you a chance to prove your point. I could care less if you take it or not. In fact don't take it. It just goes to prove my point to those who are reading this. You guys are a very small number. A lot of posts from a few kids, most of whom did not graduate the program, so they cannot reallistically speak intelligently on the full benefits being at HLA.
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Boy youre just full of faulty logic.
In your mind because he either isnt willing or isnt able to provide you with a list of names of every person who is anti HLA that somehow means that not only are there only a small number of us, but we didnt graduate the program?
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Are you retarded?
None of those things have anything to do with each other.
Furthermore what in your mind are the full benefits of being at HLA? Are the experiences of those of us who did not graduate the program somehow invalidated? Abuse is still abuse even if you have been brainwashed to call it something else.
And what of us that did graduate the program? Can we still according to you "realistically speak intelligently on the full benefits of being at HLA"? What if we didnt find any benefits yet still graduated the program? What then?
While youre dwelling on that I think I'll employ some of your logic. Give us a list of every pro HLA person who post on here. If you cant or wont do it just proves my point to those who are reading this. You guys are a very small number. A lost of post from a few children, most of whom do not have a brain and or a degree in psychology, so they cannot realistically speak intelligently on effective therapy for teens or the harm that may come from HLA.
Oh and one last thing. I'm suprised, for an HLA couselor youre much more advesarial and short tempered. I'm glad they sent you. It makes it easier to highlight the kind of people parents will be entrusting their children to. That and youre as easy to bait as Aften and Dolores.
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---On 2005-12-31 23:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Also these pointless fights you mentioned. Take a closer look. They end with us posing questions to the pro HLA people, questions they cannot answer, because to do so would expose the truth.>>>>
RB dear,
ironically, this poster would be the one who claimed to be an ex-counselor and answered a long list of questions you posed.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 240#158140
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That would appear to be ABC123. I doubt its the same person. ABC at least attempts to be honest about issues at HLA, even though he still glazes over a number of issues and sugar coats others.
I dont think its the same guy.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---On 2005-12-21 17:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-20 23:19:00, realworld wrote:
"why dont we all talk like the civil, rational, bright adults that we all know we are. let's try to stop the insulting, and be open to others perspectives. come on fellows, lets get some real words spoken."
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"Last year, research by the National Institutes of Health found that while coercive, fear-inducing treatment programs have not proven effective and could aggravate delinquent behavior, more holistic, family-centered approaches have demonstrated positive results in at-risk youth. One federal legislative proposal, the Keeping Families Together Act, would lift restrictions on a special Medicaid waiver to help families use public funds to access community-based treatment."
How do you HLA groupies explain away the DATA? Is the NIH a bunch of lying manipulators too?
YOU NEVER ANSWERED."
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STILL WAITING...
Where are the HLA "professionals" when serious questions are asked?
Why has HLA never sponsored a longitudinal study to assess the effectiveness of their program?
Why does HLA rely on anecdotal evidence/"polls" from a few patients served up via a censored website to "prove" their efficacy if indeed their practices hold up to conventional treatment standards?
Why will the HLA staff not engage anyone in real debate about their treatment center?
Why do they avoid meaningful inquiries while baiting and degrading less sophisticated posters?
If you won't answer these simple questions and continue to avoid pertinent questions, then you will continue to be viewed as you currently are: manipulators who avoid accountability.
Again, I'd be glad to debate you over the facts regarding HLA's treatment program or the RTC/TBS modality as a whole. So let's get started by answering the questions posed above as well as the definitive, longitudinal study by the NIH.
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