Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Anyone grateful for the time at Spring Creek Lodge?
Anonymous:
I agree, there is absolutely no reason to bash this poster, it's obvious he is being truthful about his experience.
Sometimes one must read between the lines, so to speak. Sure, you bond with your other students at SCL. I did too, everyone does, unless they are too young or socially an outcast. Surely the bonding is a sign of the trauma, comparing this to other situations; war is one of the most bonding experiences most would agree. It is also the most traumatic.
Yes, abuse occurs at SCL. As a parent, are you willing to gamble with your child's well-being? I sure wouldn't be.
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-03 22:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i didnt read all of your message because it appears there was a miscommunication. i didnt get beat, i know others who did. there is nothing you can argue with me about as it is my statement about how i felt. im not saying anything about the moral code followed at SCL. all i am stating is i enjoyed myself and was happy. as far as the bonding and stuff goes...to make it a little more clear: i think if people go through hard shit together, they become close. this doesnt mean abuse per say, simply tougher rules. I could be wrong, it's just my opinion. But I'm glad i could clear up your misunderstanding -MO"
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-03 20:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was at scl in 2001 and 2002... a long time ago now. in retrospect i am not quite sure how i feel. personally i dont agree with many of the programs practices, but at the same time I miss the place. I visit every so often, and I honestly have a soft spot for the place in my heart. times have changed tho, and from what I see when i go back and visit, the place is looser, which in my opinion makes for less bonding and stuff. i dunno, i guess im glad i went there. i was actually happy. but at the time i just wanted to get home. to be honest, id go back as a student to 2001 in a heartbeat.
-Mike O'Brien
I am not denying that abuse goes on sometimes at SCL tho. there is shit that happens, that shouldn't. But for me, i enjoyed myself :smile:
"
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Thanks it makes me feel better that if he is respectful to adult and follows what he is suppose to do chances are he will not be physical injured. by nature he is respectful to adults and should for the most part keep to himself.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---Thanks it makes me feel better that if he is respectful to adult and follows what he is suppose to do chances are he will not be physical injured. by nature he is respectful to adults and should for the most part keep to himself.
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You really need to get a username. You post all this forum refering to someone as 'he' and the rest of us have no clue who you are talking about.
Anonymous:
His name is Brandon. If you read back to page 2 or 3. A good friend of mine
Nihilanthic:
--- Quote ---And just what qualifications do YOU have to tell this person that what they think is wrong and that they need therapy? or that they are brainwashed?
He states that HE wasn't abuse, that HE enjoyed his experience. HE felt that tough rules - not abuse - enforced a sense of bonding.
You weren't there. You aren't him. You didn't experience what he did. Who the hell are you to make judgements about him and tell him he is brainwashed and needs therapy?
"What the layperson would call" Ah, and just what would you consider yourself? A trained expert?
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For one, he never contested abuse happened.
For two, even a cursory examination of the psychological impacts of "program treatment" based on what PSYCHOLOGISTS WHO WENT THROUGH IT THEMSELVES SAID would explain my stance on this.
Furthermore, "non-abusive" suffering/bullshit/WHATEVER to create 'bonding' is nonsensical. What is and what is not pertinant, reasonable and salient harshness and unpleasantness, and what is too far?
Where the hell did the idea of forcing people to endure bullshit to make them bond with eachother come from anyway? Its nonsense. Who the hell thinks "well lets throw a bunch of strangers together, make them suffer, and then theyll bond and personally grow and stuff" besides him? Does he speak with these people now? Is he friends with them? Does leaning to commiserate with other people you suffered with (within the rules of the program, of course :roll: ) prepare him for how to bond with regular friends, a lover, family, and job relationships? How well would it fly for him to make up some contrived suffering and "things to overcome" and push psychological buttons on his friends to make them "bond" with him? Program bullshit doesnt relate very well to the REAL world we live in out here.
"bonding and stuff" PUHLEEZE. I dont have a whole lot of patience for such clearly weak individuals. It pisses me off, and guess what? You cant throw me in OP or take me down a level or try to single me out in some bullshit seminar over it either. Hell, you dont even have an identity of your own! Speaks volumes, dunnit?
Jesus christ... what sort of model of therapy is "kidnap strangers, put them together, keep them in captivity, and psychologically stress them until they break down and keep them under the influence of strict rules and regulations with severe punishments for not conforming to create attachment and need for affection, love and friendship from the program and the other teenagers there because they were cutout from the outside world, even their families"?
Sounds a LOT like a cult. But oh well, you or some other deaduvidiual with a bag on his head will try to change the topic now :lol:
The government is much more interested in preserving the purity of its ideology than it is in allowing patients to get effective medicine.
-- Ethan B. Russo, neurologist at Western Montana Clinic
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[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2006-01-06 07:43 ]
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