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Hyde School, The Most Truthful Informative Post I have Seen
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-15 16:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This week we received a telephone call from parents who are trying to find an appropriate boarding school for their child. The mom explained to us that she "Googled" Hyde and found this website. She said that she and her husband had heard some very negative things about Hyde, but that finding this website and reading many of the postings REALLY scared them. They said they can't imagine sending their child to a school like Hyde, in light of all of the negative reports here. She said the positive comments were overshadowed by the many thoughtful criticisms. She also said their educational consultant doesn't recommend Hyde any longer.
Anyway, they're looking for suggestions. What other schools have people had good experiences with (their child is beginning to hang with the wrong crowd, is showing some signs of defiance, but isn't out of control)?
Thanks for your help."
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My advice about helping parents find a good boarding school for their child: First, find other parents whose kids have struggled with similar issues and are in boarding schools. Second, find the names of educational consultants they've used and that they've had good experiences with. Third, contact these educational consultants, explain your situation. Fourth, ask the following key question: What do you think of the Hyde School. If the educational consultant says it's a school worth considering, look for another educational consultant. If the educational consultant expresses reservations about Hyde and says it's probably a good idea to look at alternatives to Hyde, continue talking. That's a very good sign. Any educational consultant who refers to Hyde either doesn't really know what goes on there or thinks like the Hyde cult. That's a very bad sign.
Anonymous:
"I really love Sumner. He was the brite spot of erudition in an otherwise intelectually dull landscape."
When he was sober.
"I include the Texan that used to strut in the student union spouting his opinions as fact, in the guise of a civics course."
Society may be in need of a new 12 Step group to address that particular form of inebriation: "Hi, I'm Eddie, and I'm addicted to the sound of my own voice." "Hi, Eddie!"
"Anyway "A violent physical or verbal attack." I don't think so. If that was violent what do you call what Joe did you he got in your face?"
The words "rage, "abuse," "tirade," "tantrum," and "outburst" come to mind, although the list is by no means exhaustive.
In fact, the following passage, written by the CIA's predecessor agency about another individual who had memorable rages, contains various details (e.g., biting objects, spittle, purple face) that might ring a bell for you [I have substituted the name of Joe for the name of the original subject]:
"Almost everyone who has written about [Joe Gauld] has commented on his rages. These are well known to all of his associates and they have learned to fear them. The descriptions of his behavior during these rages vary considerably. The more extreme descriptions claim that at the climax he rolls on the floor and chews on [substitute "tennis balls" for "the carpets"] ...
Even without this added touch of chewing [substitute "tennis balls" for "the carpet"], his behavior is still extremely violent and shows an utter lack of emotional control. In the worst rages he undoubtedly acts like a spoiled child who cannot have his own way and bangs his fists on the tables and walls. He scolds and shouts and stammers and on some occasions foaming saliva gathers in the corners of his mouth ...
"He was an alarming sight, his hair disheveled, his eyes fixed, and his face distorted and purple. I feared that he would collapse or have a stroke ...
"It must not be supposed, however, that these rages occur only when he is crossed on major issues. On the contrary, very insignificant matters might call out this reaction. In general they are brought on whenever anyone contradicts him, when there is unpleasant news for which he might feel responsible, when there is any skepticism concerning his judgment or when a situation arises in which his infallibility might be challenged or belittled. ... [A]mong his staff there is a tactic [sic] understanding: "For God's sake don't excite [Joe] - which means do not tell him bad news -- do not mention things which are not as he conceives them to be."
"Many writers believe that these rages are just play acting. There is much to be said for this point of view since [Joe's] first reaction to the unpleasant situation is not indignation, as one would ordinarily expect under these circumstances. He goes off into a rage or tirade without warning. Similarly, when he has finished, there is no aftermath. He immediately cools down and begins to talk about other matters in a perfectly calm tone of voice as though nothing had happened. Occasionally he will look around sheepishly, as if to see if anyone is laughing, and then proceeds with other matters, without the slightest trace of resentment.
"Some of his closest associates have felt that he induces these rages consciously to frighten those about him ... [a] technique by which he would throw his entire entourage into confusion by well-timed fits of rage and thus make them more submissive ...
"Rage and abuse became the favorite weapons in his armory ...
"This is not the time to enter into a detailed discussion concerning the nature and purpose of the rages. It is sufficient, for the present time, to realize that his associates are well aware that [Joe] can and does behave in this way. It is a part of the [Joe] they know and are forced to deal with. We may point out, however, that they are not conscious acting alone since it is quite impossible for an actor to actually become purple in the face unless he really is in an emotional state.
"... If we examine the causes of these outbursts, we almost invariably find that the trigger which sets them off is something which he considers to be a challenge of his super-man personality. It may be a contradiction, a criticism or even a doubt concerning the truth or wisdom of something he has said or done, or it might be a slight or the anticipation of opposition. Even though the subject may be trifling or the challenge only by implication, or even wholly imagined, he feels called upon to display his primitive character ... To contradict him is in his eyes a crime of 'lese-majeste'; opposition to his plans, from whatever it may come, is a definite sacrilege, to which the only reply is an immediate and striking display of his omnipotence.
"As soon as his display has served its purpose and cowed his listeners into submission, it is turned off as suddenly as it was turned on. How great is the insecurity which demands such constant vigilence and apprehension!
"... we must ferret out and seek to correct the underlying factors which produced the unwelcome phenomenon. We must discover the psychological streams which nourish this destructive state of mind in order that we may divert them into channels which will permit a further evolution of our form of civilization."
Source:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hit ... index.html
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-19 17:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
""I really love Sumner. He was the brite spot of erudition in an otherwise intelectually dull landscape."
When he was sober.
"I include the Texan that used to strut in the student union spouting his opinions as fact, in the guise of a civics course."
Society may be in need of a new 12 Step group to address that particular form of inebriation: "Hi, I'm Eddie, and I'm addicted to the sound of my own voice." "Hi, Eddie!"
"Anyway "A violent physical or verbal attack." I don't think so. If that was violent what do you call what Joe did you he got in your face?"
The words "rage, "abuse," "tirade," "tantrum," and "outburst" come to mind, although the list is by no means exhaustive.
In fact, the following passage, written by the CIA's predecessor agency about another individual who had memorable rages, contains various details (e.g., biting objects, spittle, purple face) that might ring a bell for you [I have substituted the name of Joe for the name of the original subject]:
"Almost everyone who has written about [Joe Gauld] has commented on his rages. These are well known to all of his associates and they have learned to fear them. The descriptions of his behavior during these rages vary considerably. The more extreme descriptions claim that at the climax he rolls on the floor and chews on [substitute "tennis balls" for "the carpets"] ...
Even without this added touch of chewing [substitute "tennis balls" for "the carpet"], his behavior is still extremely violent and shows an utter lack of emotional control. In the worst rages he undoubtedly acts like a spoiled child who cannot have his own way and bangs his fists on the tables and walls. He scolds and shouts and stammers and on some occasions foaming saliva gathers in the corners of his mouth ...
"He was an alarming sight, his hair disheveled, his eyes fixed, and his face distorted and purple. I feared that he would collapse or have a stroke ...
"It must not be supposed, however, that these rages occur only when he is crossed on major issues. On the contrary, very insignificant matters might call out this reaction. In general they are brought on whenever anyone contradicts him, when there is unpleasant news for which he might feel responsible, when there is any skepticism concerning his judgment or when a situation arises in which his infallibility might be challenged or belittled. ... [A]mong his staff there is a tactic [sic] understanding: "For God's sake don't excite [Joe] - which means do not tell him bad news -- do not mention things which are not as he conceives them to be."
"Many writers believe that these rages are just play acting. There is much to be said for this point of view since [Joe's] first reaction to the unpleasant situation is not indignation, as one would ordinarily expect under these circumstances. He goes off into a rage or tirade without warning. Similarly, when he has finished, there is no aftermath. He immediately cools down and begins to talk about other matters in a perfectly calm tone of voice as though nothing had happened. Occasionally he will look around sheepishly, as if to see if anyone is laughing, and then proceeds with other matters, without the slightest trace of resentment.
"Some of his closest associates have felt that he induces these rages consciously to frighten those about him ... [a] technique by which he would throw his entire entourage into confusion by well-timed fits of rage and thus make them more submissive ...
"Rage and abuse became the favorite weapons in his armory ...
"This is not the time to enter into a detailed discussion concerning the nature and purpose of the rages. It is sufficient, for the present time, to realize that his associates are well aware that [Joe] can and does behave in this way. It is a part of the [Joe] they know and are forced to deal with. We may point out, however, that they are not conscious acting alone since it is quite impossible for an actor to actually become purple in the face unless he really is in an emotional state.
"... If we examine the causes of these outbursts, we almost invariably find that the trigger which sets them off is something which he considers to be a challenge of his super-man personality. It may be a contradiction, a criticism or even a doubt concerning the truth or wisdom of something he has said or done, or it might be a slight or the anticipation of opposition. Even though the subject may be trifling or the challenge only by implication, or even wholly imagined, he feels called upon to display his primitive character ... To contradict him is in his eyes a crime of 'lese-majeste'; opposition to his plans, from whatever it may come, is a definite sacrilege, to which the only reply is an immediate and striking display of his omnipotence.
"As soon as his display has served its purpose and cowed his listeners into submission, it is turned off as suddenly as it was turned on. How great is the insecurity which demands such constant vigilence and apprehension!
"... we must ferret out and seek to correct the underlying factors which produced the unwelcome phenomenon. We must discover the psychological streams which nourish this destructive state of mind in order that we may divert them into channels which will permit a further evolution of our form of civilization."
Source:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hit ... index.html
"
--- End quote ---
Wow, what a powerful, and frightening, comparison.
Anonymous:
Today's New York Times Magazine includes a powerful and astute article by the renowned James Traub on world conflict/peace. He's an impressive journalist. And, this is the very same James Traub who wrote a scathing critique of the Hyde School, referring to Hyde's cult-like qualities. I wonder what motivated Traub to investigate, write about, and expose Hyde. In any case, it's amazing to see that someone of Traub's caliber sees Hyde for what it is and has chosen to tell the world: http://www.educationnext.org/20051/22.html
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-15 16:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This week we received a telephone call from parents who are trying to find an appropriate boarding school for their child. The mom explained to us that she "Googled" Hyde and found this website. She said that she and her husband had heard some very negative things about Hyde, but that finding this website and reading many of the postings REALLY scared them. They said they can't imagine sending their child to a school like Hyde, in light of all of the negative reports here. She said the positive comments were overshadowed by the many thoughtful criticisms. She also said their educational consultant doesn't recommend Hyde any longer.
Anyway, they're looking for suggestions. What other schools have people had good experiences with (their child is beginning to hang with the wrong crowd, is showing some signs of defiance, but isn't out of control)?
Thanks for your help."
--- End quote ---
I recommend you look at the Oliverian School in New Hampshire: http://www.oliverianschool.org/
This school focuses on some of the same kinds of kids who end up at Hyde. But the differences in approach are amazing. The approach at Oliverian seems to be so much more enlightened, helpful, supportive than Hyde's. Hyde can be so destructive for so many of its kids (and the parents). Schools like Oliverian take a radically different approach that makes so much more sense than Hyde's. You'll be amazed at the difference. There are other schools like this that are definitely worth visiting. These schools are like a field of tulips; for many people Hyde is like a toxic dump. Kids may continue to struggle at places like Oliverian, but the staff are so much more skilled at knowing what to do to help them. Unlike Hyde, they actually have serious training in how to deal with adolescents who are having a tough time. You won't see anything like that Gauld propaganda and brainwashing.
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