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« Reply #75 on: December 27, 2005, 11:55:00 AM »
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On 2005-12-27 07:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Maybe these positive and negative aspects which make up balance have been discussed already although I didn't see them.  Somebody introduced me to this site over the holiday so I sure haven't seen everything written here.



But one of my questions is: did there seem to be a relationship between having a balanced view of the school experience and being a smart, intelligence-wise kid.  Or not."


You're full of it, because this isn't the first time you've come here looking for "balanced views" (ie. justification of cedu's abusive methods) on Cedu. And this certainly isn't the first time that you've accused people of being less intelligent for exhibitting what you describe as "black & white thinking."

Y'know something, there is another word for
what you call black & white, it's "Right and Wrong".  Some of us know the difference, and some of us don't.

The worst people of all are those who know the difference, but choose to ignore it, and allow wrong doing to continue.  They alledge that everything is open interpretation, and use this to justify their unsavory behavior. They dismiss their critics as being ignorant, and unable to see the bigger picture. Such people act that way because they personally gain from doing so.

I think that you belong to the latter category.  Call it a hunch, but I bet that you're a lawyer, aren't you?  You're probably that that spineless worm Jackson Nash trolling the site again.

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« Reply #76 on: December 27, 2005, 12:32:00 PM »
Michael Algood, CEDU, Mel Wasserman etc.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=9&4

Police fear abuse of hundreds of teens

By John Ween

Tarzana Times staff reporter



A man arrested last month in Southern California on suspicion of false imprisonment of two California boys may be one of the most deceptive people in the country, say police in Redding, Calif.

Michael Allgood , 58, who has several convictions for false imprisonment of minors , was arrested December 23 in Tarzana,CA while visiting a longtime friend and may be extradited to Redding. He is being held without bail in connection with the false imprisonment of two boys.

During a search of Allgood's Shasta County home, police discovered seven spiral notebooks with 360 pages of handwritten lists of names of boys and their descriptions as well as codes that police say indicate various abusive acts. Police estimate the lists chronicle 2,000 incidents and at least hundreds of victims. Some of the names are listed multiple times. Police could not say whether each entry represented a physical or mental abuse assault.

"If it turns out these numbers are true, then he may go down in history as the most manipulative and deceitful child abusers we've ever seen in Shasta County and one of the biggest in the State," Shasta County Lt. Scott Kiuyi said.

The names on the lists were categorized according to the type of abuse acts, the age of the boys and other codes whose meaning is unclear ? such as an "F" or "X" at the end of the entry.

There are no dates on the lists, but police suspect they may go back as far as 30 years, and they include the names of some cities such as Whitmore, CA, Running Springs, CA , Bonner's Ferry, ID . Allgood has lived in or traveled to Washington, New York, Idaho, Oregon, California and Italy . Police said he had been concealing his identity for the past year and has used numerous aliases. It also appears he has not registered as a repeat offender as required by law, police said.

The search of Allgood's home also turned up a computer server and several computers. Police have sent the equipment to a crime lab. Also found were several binders containing hundreds of images of child pornography, according to Redding police spokesman Ken Mayo.

Police also arrested Allgood's accomplice ? another convicted child abuser ? Eric Von Melzer. Melzer was wanted for violating parole in Oregon related to child-aggravation convictions, and also was charged with child aggravation in Redding, including at least one count involving one of Allgood's two alleged victims.

In Shasta County, Allgood was charged in February 1997 with one count of communication with a minor for immoral purposes. He was acquitted later that year by a Shasta County Superior Court jury.

According to Shasta County court records, Allgood, who was 50 at the time, was accused of false imprisonment of two brothers, ages 16 and 14, during a four-month period in 1997. The boys described Allgood as being vindictive towards them because their parents were trying to remove them from the school. Cascade closed its doors in January 2004 to avoid being shut down by the State regulation board . Parents had been removing their teens amid allegations of coerced sex parties facilitated by Allgood and his second wife. Parents were allegedly lied to by Allgood who told them they were emotional growth workshops meant to build self esteem .




In 1980, the California Supreme Court threw out a 1978 conviction for molesting two 14-year-old boys and characterized Allgood as a "repeat offender" who "uses his intelligence to take advantage of the weak and oppressed and those who are in need." After working at the Cedu Foundation School in Running Springs , Allgood moved to Whitmore, CA allegedly to avoid being arrested for false imprisonment of students at the school. Parents had begun complaining of not being allowed to see their children after recieving telephone calls from the San Bernadino County Sheriff's Department . Allgood allegedly lied to Sheriff's Deputys and told them teens were not being held against their will .


Interviews with Teens who were able to hitchhike home revealed that many were threatened with their lives if they escaped on their own or by leaving with parent's on day visits and not returning. Stories of Cult like behavior and extreme coercion to perform sex acts on group leaders also known as Family Heads were detailed in many Sheriff's Department reports. The teens were told that part of the program was to "be in agreement" which meant they were coerced into participating against their will by the use of terrorist threats or a punishment called "Full Time". Full Time consisted of being forced to wash dishes all day for three months . Parents would be lied to and decieved by Allgood in telephone calls telling them that their child had engaged in a "sex contract" with another teen when in reality the teen had refused to participate in sex acts with Family Heads. Teens who fought off the attacks by Family Heads were accused of being violent and threated with being sent to Provo, UT , a locked facility . Parents were told by Allgood to lie to Teens and tell them to follow agreements or be sent to Provo. The deceptive practices were discovered when parents began taping phone calls and discovered that Allgood had been lying to them. Allgood's rational for lying to parents and teens was that most teens who leave eventually want to come back because of the strong bond created by peer groups. The kool aid mentality created by the school sprang out of the Synanon drug treatment cult of the 1960's.

Cedu was founded in 1967 by Mel Wasserman who was forced to sell Cedu in the late 1980's to avoid being indicted for money laundering involving Organized Crime figures in Palm Springs where he had once resided . Although promoting itself as an emotional growth facility , investigators believe that it was really a front for money laundering and tax evasion . Investigators believe that the Foundation extorted money from parents and contributors including grants and wealthy individuals by telling them it was for Overhead when the money was really going into the bank accounts of Wasserman and his family members .


Suspicions were raised by the large bank accounts of Family Heads and the persistant extortion of students and parents under the guise of tuition hikes. Such practices are said to have been carried over to the Cascade School and many speculate that as being another cause of declining enrollment . The mass retirement at the same time of many Cascade Family Heads is fueling speculation that this may be a conspiracy and a way to avoid investigation into the personal assets of each Family Head. The sudden reemergence of a terminal skin cancer condition of former Allgood common law wife Danielle Ogby is said to be an attempt to avoid a long prison term for laundering drug money from a southern california methamphetamine lab that was started with the proceeds from a 1990 divorce settlement from Allgood . Ogby's attorney would not comment on allegations that Ogby sold drugs to finance a lavish lifestyle with Allgood while promoting Cascade as being an Anti-Drug and Pro-Family values emotional growth residential treatment center .
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« Reply #77 on: December 27, 2005, 01:22:00 PM »
This is not a valid article.
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« Reply #78 on: December 27, 2005, 03:13:00 PM »
Looks pretty valid to me!
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« Reply #79 on: December 27, 2005, 03:14:00 PM »
I may have no respect for Allgood, but it's still plain as day that article is a fake. No journalist has writing skills that poor. You weaken every argument against that pathetic man with shit like that, you know?
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« Reply #80 on: December 27, 2005, 03:25:00 PM »
The author may not be a great writer, but the article is real, and it's content is indeed factual. By the way, Telling the truth about Algood could never "weaken every argument against him", and your own pathetic attempts to refute the evidence won't weaken those arguments either.  Nice try though, better luck next time.
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« Reply #81 on: December 27, 2005, 05:31:00 PM »
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Cedu was founded in 1967 by Mel Wasserman who was forced to sell Cedu in the late 1980's to avoid being indicted for money laundering involving Organized Crime figures in Palm Springs where he had once resided .


Maybe this is just a typo, but Mel sold the CEDU schools in the 90s, not 80s. I graduated in 89, and at that time, he was still running the school. I believe Brown bought the CEDU schools in 98.

I remember when that happened re: Allgood and his little black book of all of the kids he had molested. I had no idea that was the guy who ran Cascade when I read an article about it in the news, and when I finally learned more about Cascade, I totally forgot the name of the guy who had molested all of those kids. It's not surprising that it was Allgood, even though I myself didn't go to Cascade. The CEDU schools and Cascade were magnets for child molesters. I remember when Richard ran his hand up a friend on mine's shirt. They had a big meeting about it with her, decided that the whole thing was an "accident", and keeps him on. Years later he is taken to court for raping Twila. As if there was any doubt he was a sexual predator, anyway.

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« Reply #82 on: December 27, 2005, 05:32:00 PM »
Maybe he is pathetic. I, personally, don't know him or never witnessed anything he did at Cascade or elsewhere. I have read some pretty horrible things on this site, though. I am not disagreeing with anyone about whether what he is accused of is horrible or not, but... I think those that are trying to change or even eliminate this corrupt industry need to back up the allegations with FACTS. That's all. If this is a REAL article... then that is one more piece of evidence we can share with parents to prove these programs are bogus.... but, if it is FAKE... then it's like those that are pro-program have another piece of evidence that those on this site are full of it. Make sense?
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« Reply #83 on: December 27, 2005, 05:59:00 PM »
That really happened re: finding a guy with extensive cataloguing of his young male victims, and it WAS estimated that the head count was in the thousands. The bust occurred sometime this year.

Here is the link to the case I was talking about:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... DAA0G1.DTL

The guy's name is Schwartzmiller, and the head count is 36,000. He kept notebooks of his victims, which also included repeat offenses of the same victim. This was the case that I remember.

There's also another guy in England, William Goad. His victim count was 3000, but he didn't keep notebooks.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm ... _page.html

I have no idea if Allgood also did this, but I did a google search on "michael allgood" along with the word "molest", and the only links that accused Allgood of molesting kids were on fornits. The other hits did not state this. I could not find any news articles.

I'm not saying he didn't do anything, I'm just saying that I couldn't find any articles.

Even if he didn't, there was plenty of sexual relations going on between staff and kids in the CEDU schools, and I would assume the same thing went on at Cascade.

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« Reply #84 on: December 27, 2005, 06:03:00 PM »
This could be faked.  I Googled Tarzana Times and John Ween and came up empty.
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« Reply #85 on: December 27, 2005, 06:25:00 PM »
that's not to say that Algood hasn't done everything that the 'article' says, just that I didn't come up with anything Googling the author or the publication.
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« Reply #86 on: December 27, 2005, 07:59:00 PM »
Son of Serbia, don't know what kind of burr you've got under your saddle.  I don't know Jackson Nash and I'm no lawyer so I guess you're not the clairvoyent you fancy yourself to me

You'd think I was your worst enemy from your hot-headed response Worst I've done as far as I can see is not ask you if Ive got a right to my own opinion without first clearing it with you, bud.

So given your attitude (which might or might not get cured by drugs or getting laid more regularly) I don't see any point in addressing my question to you, feel free to rant though, it doesn't cost me a cent!

But the question stands and I welcome responses from other readers who are less easily riled up than you seem to be.

And that question is: do you think that intellectually brighter people from these schools tended to have an easier time in defining positive as well as negative aspects of their school experiences.
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« Reply #87 on: December 27, 2005, 09:11:00 PM »
I always post anonymously because I don't welcome the attacks when I am say something positive about my time at a CEDU school. I will also be the first to admit that there were some really shitty things done to me/kids while I was there... but, I will also say that I made some of the best friends of my life while I was there. I also learned more about myself during that time than I think I would have learned had I not gone to RMA. Maybe I am/was brainwashed. I doubt it. But for every horrible staff person that was there, I knew of others that truly cared about me and the other kids there. No, I do not agree with some of the tactics that were used. But, I also think that wherever you go, there is going to be negatives. I, personally, think that our public school system is fucked up. I don't like the fact that my kids have to go through a metal detector upon their arrival. I don't like that my daughter is going in class with pregnant teens. I don't like that my son witnesses teachers getting in the face of students yelling and swearing at them on a daily basis. I don't like quetioning whether my kids are safe when they go to church outings or other social events.

I, personally, am not angry about my experience. Was it perfect? No... but my actions prior to being sent there were not perfect. I was not the ideal student, perfect teen. I was not your law abiding teenager looking for my next community service project. I was not driven by excellence. I was not psasionate by a hobby, sport, or group. I was enthusiastic about living on the edge. I was excited about where and when I was going to get high again. It was a rush for me to see how long I could be "on the run" without getting caught. I had spent time in juvie. I had spent itme in a psych hospital. I did not like those places.

I don't get angry about RMA. There was a time when I used to think about my time there and question some of what I experienced. But, I choose to focus on what is positive about my time there. There are plenty of other chapters in my life where negative energy can be focused. Maybe it comes with age. As I approach 40 (yes.... just a few more years), I choose be angry about true injustices... I read about 7 children that were  loced in a barren room at a foster home. I read of other kids that have been locked in closets for years. I have read about children that are kept in cages. Another that was made to eat out of a dog dish. I have a friend that  works with Asian girls that have been sex slaves since they were sold at 5. I think about the millions of  people that live in poverty every day.

My daughter's best friend lives in a Habitat for Humanity house. She is 4 older siblings, the oldest being a senior in high school. Her mother weighs a mere 80 pounds and is dying a horrible death. The siblings fight over who has to stay home from school to take care of her.

The above examples describe horrible childhoods. Horrible. Was mine peachy? Did I loose a parent at a young age. Yes. horrible. Sad. Was I yelled at in RAPS by Caroline Wolfe and others and called some really f-ed up names. Yes. I was. Was I deprived of sleep and food and made to work stocking wood and pushing wheel barrows more than 8 hours per day.... yes. Does it define me???? No. Am I angry? No. Were there good things that happened to me in Idaho. Yes, there were.

This industry is not perfect. I will be the first to stand up and say so. But... what industry that works with people is???? our medical system? Our hospitals? More people die every year from medical mistakes than heart attacks. Is our welfare system perfect? Our social services? Our education system? Truth be told... there is corruption EVERYWHERE.

Ok... enough ranting and venting. If you got this far... thanks for reading.
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« Reply #88 on: December 27, 2005, 09:15:00 PM »
Yes, public schools are generally fucked up. Moreso in urban settings. Grow some damned balls and take your kids out of that mess. Or just teach them the quiet, desperate resignation that you seem to have mastered.

Your choice.

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« Reply #89 on: December 27, 2005, 09:20:00 PM »
Are you a parent?

I don't live in an urban area. The idea that public schools are more screwed up in urban ares is a myth.

Second. where would you suggest that I have them go to school? Private school? Did that too. It is not much different.

Third: "quiet, desperate resignation"... HA. You would laugh at that description if you knew me. I have done anything but MASTER that way of life!!!!
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