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Re: Pathfinders, Inc . and the *sshole Mike Parr
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2009, 02:19:19 AM »
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Re: Pathfinders, Inc . and the *sshole Mike Parr
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2009, 02:26:45 AM »
First of all - to Julie and Erin!!!!!!!!!  OMG!!!  HEEEY!!  Wasnt Brad the one that picked me up in NC and while we were at the airport I got a lady to meet me in the bathroom and I told her that I was being kidnapped and got Airport Security to arrest him. We missed our flight and were delayed about 6 hours while airport security tried to straighten it out.  He was never taken out of handcuffs the whole time!  But, my dad was forced to come back and explain the whole thing to me - and got a rather good tongue lashing from the Airport Captin that he should have never let someone "kidnap" me.  Was it Brad...or maybe Evan - I think Evan is right - tall, lanky guy??  Oh, I cant remember.  Anyway - wow.  That was something, huh?!  Mike basically raped me in front of everyone.  No - he didnt take my clothes off, but he threw me on the ground and got on top of me grinding his hardon into my pelvis telling me to say it - meaning he wanted me to say that I had been molested.  Great times.   :guesswho:  anyway - we were in the Black Range and the best thing that came out of it was that I left in great shape!  I did learn how to make fire - after spending two whole weeks not being allowed to sit by the fire while we ate.  There was Chris and Tomas...oh what was the little guys name??  And the super angry dude - Aaron maybe?  He used to beat the crap outta trees with big sticks.  Well, anyone else who went to Pathfinder during June - August of 1991 - feel free to email me at [email protected]
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Re: Pathfinders, Inc . and the *sshole Mike Parr
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2009, 01:47:14 PM »
Oh and lest I forget -

RICE IS REALITY!!!
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Re: Pathfinders, Inc . and the *sshole Mike Parr
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2009, 03:05:00 PM »
I have no idea if this thread is still active- but if anyone is reading it- I was there, too. As a staff member. It was pretty traumatic, I sucked at being a Pathfinders staff person, but every time I tried to quit (at least 3 times in the 6 months I worked there) Mike would give me a raise and tell me I was trying to run away "back to the ivy league". Ha. Which is what I did any way when it all went down- dealt with the guilt,( sorry kids- the wilderness is a great place but I was ill equipped to be trying to help you beyond my EMT skills- I was 24), and then got a phD & became a university professor. If any one wants to ask anything, feel free. [email protected]
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Re: Pathfinders, Inc . and the *sshole Mike Parr
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2009, 04:22:23 PM »
Datasheet updated. Added survivor groups and new articles.
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Re: Pathfinders, Inc . and the *sshole Mike Parr
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2009, 06:43:30 AM »
Miriam,

I remember you as being very kind, more so than the other staff members. I was there from April - July 96. I still have a picture of our group standing in a grassy field in Colorado. I think of my experience there in a positive way overall, however, Mike Parr definately had some interesting concepts when it comes to "therapy". My last memory of you is discussing our favourite episodes of Degrassi Junior High as we were being escorted by the sheriffs to the busses that took us to quarantine. I don't think I've ever been so happy to take a shower.

Mike
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Re: Pathfinders, Inc . and the *sshole Mike Parr
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2009, 10:58:03 AM »
Im glad an ex-staff has validated the whole premise that EMT skills are NOT all that you need when doing wilderness. I hate the fact that so many of these schools list only that as qualifications for being wilderness staff. For example, I find it doubtful that EMT training covers something like snakebite, (especially since treatment is contingent on the type of snake), or tracking, or dealing with different kinds of parasitic infections, or bear maulings.. etc.


well, maybe bear maulings.
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Re: Pathfinders, Inc . and the *sshole Mike Parr
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2009, 01:13:09 PM »
Mike Parr was an *sshole. And so was all of the adults in my life @ the time they paid pathfinders to get rid of me. It seem funny to me, now looking back. Summer of 93 in the black range. I was in school with decent grades holding a job. A sober teen with no drug or alcohol habit. And I was the one with the rug yanked out from under me. With 4 fathers and 3 mothers by adoption , marriage and divorce. Not one could be trusted.

Needles to say I have moved on now. With a successful business I started and a Family that loves and cares about me. Pathfinders was a horrible experience in my life, I could never do that to my son….I am happy to hear that pathfinders is no more. Mike Parr should do some time in prison, in my opinion. Hey what goes around comes around.

I can be e-mailed @  [email protected]

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Re: Pathfinders, Inc . and the *sshole Mike Parr
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2009, 08:28:26 PM »
Yet another one who falls into the adopted/divorced/remarried parents category.

Glad Im not the only one.
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Re: Pathfinders, Inc . and the *sshole Mike Parr
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2010, 02:05:29 AM »
My name is Grant Handzlik I did pathfinders, spring creek, and cascade school.
Musta been like 1991 or so now. I remenber Brad and Mike very well.
Long time but I remember it all clearly. Lets get back together.
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Re: Pathfinders, Inc . and the *sshole Mike Parr
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2010, 02:45:40 AM »
Quote from: "try another castle"
Im glad an ex-staff has validated the whole premise that EMT skills are NOT all that you need when doing wilderness. I hate the fact that so many of these schools list only that as qualifications for being wilderness staff. For example, I find it doubtful that EMT training covers something like snakebite, (especially since treatment is contingent on the type of snake), or tracking, or dealing with different kinds of parasitic infections, or bear maulings.. etc.


well, maybe bear maulings.

I was trained as an EMT in university. EMT training is not designed to give a person the skills to treat injuries. An EMT is trained to keep a person alive long enough for them to get to treatment. Wilderness EMT training is designed for giving you the skills to keep someone alive when in a wilderness setting that is far from medical assistance. For wilderness staff its a good training to have, providing, they also have a satellite phone that is charged and ready to call for a medical evacuation of some sorts.

However, WEMT doesn't prepare you in anyway to be a giver of therapy. It doesn't prepare you for leading expeditions. It absolutely does not prepare you for dealing with "troubled" youth. I use the quotation marks sarcastically to emphasize my disdain with the number of labels being hung on kids these days.
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Re: Pathfinders, Inc . and the *sshole Mike Parr
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2010, 10:02:32 AM »
I am AMAZED to find this forum and I will tell you why:

In a nutshell: I attended Pathfinders in Albuquerque, New Mexico from about March 31st to April 9th 1995.

I ran away from the program (the black range mountains?) with one other person, named JASON, and he mentioned that he lived in San Diego, California. Apparently, I was supposed to be there from 6 months to whenever they decided that it was time to return. We made it back to Big Springs Ranch after a couple of days. I believe that the program was shut down afterwords, due to liability problems.

First, I would like to make sure that this board is still active. It was a CRAZY story that I would love to go more in-depth. My main quest, as I am sure you have guessed, is to find JASON. It was a hell of a trust and bond that I have not experienced many other people, if anyone really.

That’s how I ended up here and I will definitely check back often in my efforts to find him. PLEASE POST

CRAZY

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Re: Pathfinders, Inc . and the *sshole Mike Parr
« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2010, 01:25:37 PM »
Quote from: "RenCA"
I am AMAZED to find this forum and I will tell you why:

In a nutshell: I attended Pathfinders in Albuquerque, New Mexico from about March 31st to April 9th 1995.

I ran away from the program (the black range mountains?) with one other person, named JASON, and he mentioned that he lived in San Diego, California. Apparently, I was supposed to be there from 6 months to whenever they decided that it was time to return. We made it back to Big Springs Ranch after a couple of days. I believe that the program was shut down afterwords, due to liability problems.

First, I would like to make sure that this board is still active. It was a CRAZY story that I would love to go more in-depth. My main quest, as I am sure you have guessed, is to find JASON. It was a hell of a trust and bond that I have not experienced many other people, if anyone really.

That’s how I ended up here and I will definitely check back often in my efforts to find him. PLEASE POST

CRAZY

 :rocker:
Well, I hope you'll tell your story anyway. Perhaps it might enable Jason to find you. Ya never know...
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Runaways Given New Start Away From Home
« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2010, 02:11:43 PM »
Here's a blast from the past, from back when Mike Parr was just two years removed from his Probation Officer days.

This article was originally published in The Los Angeles Times on September 23, 1982, with the title of "The Pursuer: Runaways Are His Business;" and also on September 27, 1982, in The Anchorage Daily News with the title of "He rescues runaways by keeping them away from home." Copied below is the version from The Toledo Blade, published 'bout 2 weeks later still.

The two paragraphs in brackets were added in from the Anchorage Daily News version (there were a couple of other paragraphs missing from that one). I presume the original version is the most complete, but that is in a pay-per-view archive.

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The Toledo Blade
October 8, 1982

Runaways Given New Start Away From Home
Parents Hire Ex-Probation Officer To Deal With Chronic Offenders

By ANN JAPENGA
The Los Angeles Times


LOS ANGELES — It was his 17th birthday. Tony was enjoying a rare restaurant meal and a reunion with his mother, who he had not seen much of since he ran away from home a year ago. His mother, however, had something in mind besides a birthday get-together.

Tony was halfway through his meal when a tall stranger slid into the booth next to him. He said his name was Mike Parr. He said that Tony was going on a ride.

Tony (not his real name) motioned the waiter over and asked him to call the police. "I'm being kidnaped," he said.

Officers arrived shortly thereafter and Mr. Parr explained himself. He said that he was a former probation officer now in business privately. He had been hired by Tony's parents to rescue their son, a chronic runaway. He tried to convince the officers it would be best if they would let him do his job and take Tony to a ranch in Redding, Calif., which boards and educates problem adolescents.

"The way it stands now, the kid is cooked," he said. "He has no future here."

With the police on his parents' side, Tony realized he was trapped. He climbed into the back seat of Mr. Parr's Saab for an all-night drive.

With hordes of runaways each year, parents resort to police and psychiatrists to keep their children home, often spending thousands of dollars in the process.

(Mr. Parr had one client who said he had spent $125,000 trying to cure a wayward youth. "They hadn't done one thing right," Mr. Parr said. "Parents always make emotional decisions at a time when you can't do that.")

AT ONE TIME parents may have gotten results from county probation departments, but cutbacks in the last five years have meant that cases get less individual attention and are often referred to private agencies, Mr. Parr said.

In 1977, California legislation passed saying that runaways no longer can be institutionalized if they have not committed a crime. So when a runaway is reported to the probation department, he is listed as missing, and it is up to local law-enforcement agents to spot the child. If found, he may be placed in a temporary shelter. Spokesmen for Southern California county probation departments in Santa Barbara and Los Angeles said their main goal is to reunite the family.

Mr. Parr does not work that way.

"My objective is to get them as far away from home as possible," he said. "It's always the parents' problem. It may look at first like I'm blaming the kid, but I'm not."

Although a father of three, Mr. Parr has not much faith in parenting instincts. "Adults don't like kids much," he advised Tony, once they were alone in the car together. "You get in their way, they're gonna get rid of you."

Two years ago Mr. Parr left the Santa Barbara County probation department and got a call which would be the start of a new career. The caller, an attorney, said that he had a juvenile client who had been arrested for selling cocaine to an undercover officer. His parents were looking for a way to keep him out of juvenile hall.

First, Mr. Parr placed the boy in a drug rehabilitation program. Next he fulfilled the boy's lifelong dream of learning to fly by enrolling him in an aviation school, where the boy is to this day.

SANTA BARBARA chief probation officer Alan Crogan said that it is becoming common due to cutbacks in the department for retired probation officers complete probation reports on a private basis — although he said that he had not heard of anyone else offering Mr. Parr's complete service of locating and rehabilitating runaways.

Mr. Parr charges $500 and up. Tony's parents paid $1,000 to have their son escorted to a new home.

Included in the fee is an ongoing followup. Mr. Parr said that he strictly avoids counseling or therapy — he just tells the parents and child what will work.

"The ones that fail are the ones whose parents come to take them home," he said. "Sometimes the parents just can't stand to see the kid change for the better."

There is no job title for what Mr. Parr does, and no way for parents to find him, except by word of mouth. In this manner Mr. Parr's reputation has spread throughout affluent suburbs around the country. In a typical case he might be asked to track down a runaway on the streets of Hollywood, or pick up a punk in a Chicago nightclub. He finds a school or a home for the child and persuades the youth to go there. A favorite way of persuasion is to visit kids at dawn. Before the child is fully awake, he is on his way.

[In the two years he has been in the business, Parr said, he had placed teen-agers in small boarding schools, ranch homes, sports-oriented schools and "emancipation homes" (for young people who are capable of living independently). He has also located specialized training courses and placed kids in the Marine Corps.

"This is a business, man," he told Tony as they drove over at dusk. "I'm not trying to jam you. Parents are big showoffs. Having a good kid is like having a good car. I want your parents out there bragging me up to their friends so their friends will call me."]

MR. PARR advises runaways to try to curb their wanderlust until they are 18 and to take advantage of their parents' money while it's offered. "I say, 'Your parents' lives are set, but you can do wonderful things'."

Tony listened to the advice from the back seat, dozed awhile, and woke up plotting how he would escape from his new home.

"You come back, I'll catch you again, and you'll go to Provo," Mr. Parr warned. (Provo Canyon School in Utah has a reputation as one of the toughest juvenile facilities in the country.)

Once Mr. Parr locates the runaway, it is a battle of wills to get him to go along. He never uses force. It is not legal for him physically to detain a child.

In Tony's case, Mr. Parr talked to him until the boy understood there was really nowhere to go but into the waiting car. If he ran, his parents would commit him to a psychiatric hospital or a prisonlike school.

"Usually there's a little whimpering," Mr. Parr said. "Then they listen to the deal."

Driving on an Interstate at 2 a.m., Mr. Parr played a cassette tape of the University of Michigan marching band at high volume to keep himself awake. Tony slept through the commotion.

At 4 a.m. he pulled off an Interstate onto a country road and drove past miles of fenced fields and pear orchards. He turned into a dark driveway. A dog barked, and a man came to the door wearing a bathrobe and carrying a Coleman lantern.

Tony went right to bed. Mr. Parr sat around the kitchen table and talked with the house proprietor by lamplight. His manner had been matter-of-fact when talking with Tony about his future, but a real concern came out in his voice now. He pleaded with the proprietor not to let the boy's parents back into his life. Let him start over again living here, he said.

After less than a week on the ranch, however, Tony ran away. This time Mr. Parr will be back on his trail with the plan of sending him somewhere too far away to run home.


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Re: Pathfinders, Inc . and the *sshole Mike Parr
« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2010, 04:10:26 PM »
Someone from my group contacted me yesterday and I guess it re-sparked my interest in connecting with people from Pathfinders.  This is Alexis, a.k.a. the girl who got the infection and lost her finger.  I would really like to connect with anyone who was with me that Summer.  I only remember a few first names.  I have no idea if anybody checks this forum anymore, but if someone happens to, hit me up.  [email protected]
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