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The Psychology of then and now...
Stripe:
Preface this post with the statement that I do not have a degree in Psychology or Psychiatry nor do I have a medical degree.
We are now 35 years, give or take one or two, from the time first Seed program in Ft. Lauderdale opened its doors for business.
Today, many of the Seed program participants who post on this forum are either or have previously admitted to, gotten treatment for, or exhibited a vast array of medical and psychological disorders. There are also other seed participants who fully believe that those who have problems now, and admit to those problems, are merely looking for someone to blame.
This thought is the result of a query in response of my post on another thread:
Are you sure you would not have been that way anyway? I'm not being a jerk. I'm being honest.
Some people want to blame someone for everything instead of accepting the responsibility on their own.
Except for medically-based psychological problems (i.e. chemical imbalances), most psychological problems are a result of EXTERNAL factors that are not processed and resolved by the person who experienced them.
It would be interesting to know whether the illnesses and psychological problems experienced by non-addict ex-seedlings are statistically within the range of ?normal? occurrences within the general population. While I have no scientific data to back it up, I would venture to guess that statistically, non-addict ex-seedlings fall outside the statistical norms for the maladies they now suffer.
I?ve seen no evidence in my own life or from other seed kids of anyone who simply had the seed experience and remained unaffected. Most either:
1. Went on to other addictions treatment programs fully embracing an addiction mentality/reality as a way of life; or
2. Went into full self-destruct mode; or
3. Continually tired to live the addictions-model life without being an addict and in the end, failed/never achieved any sense of personal satisfaction because there was no addiction to manage.
Does anybody know of any published or on-going studies in this area?
I know we have the anectdotal statements here on this forum from all sides, but I?m looking for something more scientific and less emotional.
GregFL:
There are no studies that I am aware of Stripe, only anecedotal information that we share. But we are the group of internet posting graduates which further muddies the pool.
I think there are some common traits we share as graduates of the seed, generally, but proving this statistically realistically likely will never happen.
Stripe:
It just seems ashame as this whole TC movement has enough activity and dissention to warrant it. A study designed to quantify the actual results in an objective fashion, I would think would be of value to everyone. Right now, what we have is a colleciton of personal experiences that are subject to both the speaker's and listener's bias. Not that there's anything wrong with using and hearing personal experiences as a method of trying to understand what happened to me, it's just inherently biased by my brain.
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders has been around since approximately 1952. Over the years the types of mental disorders described and causation factors analyzed in the publication have expanded. It now includes many of the disorders discussed/faced/denied by many of the post-graduates of The Seed and other most TC programs.
And it's not a question of placing "blame" but rather, of validating my experiences through some method other than having someone reply, in essence - with either "I can relate to that" or "you're full of shit."
In my spare time....maybe I'll be able to follow up on this when I have access to more informaiton. If I come up with anything of substance I'll put it for review.
[ This Message was edited by: Stripe on 2005-12-05 22:43 ]
Jupiter Survivor:
Not sure if the DSM is the place to look. We could all find ourselves in there if you look hard enough...lol I think a few classes in Sociology would be more appropriate. Sociology shows how society (or our world however large or small that may be) effects us and vise versa. The study of people and our/their effects on them IMHO deals more with Seed issues. Being deprived of love and affection until we comply,
I know that when I went into the Seed, I hadn't used drugs, had a very low self esteem (like most teenagers), had a family from hell, and suffered abused. Give that history, the Seed was the very worst place for me to be. Could I have had it better not going? Who knows?
Auschwitz verses Dachau...the better of two evils. Although there comes a time where one takes control of his life, he cannot deny the effect his past has had on him. As much as I have moved on in my life, I would be lying to say I am over it completely. That anger that I still carry, helps me try and help others that are backed into corners and given no options. It gives me an edge on what I do, so one good thing came of it. As a matter of fact, this week about 20 kids now have a better option of an education because of it. I am no more a meek and compliant person, I am very vocal, very passionate about kids and am not intimidated by those in power. I don't think I would have turned out this way WITHOUT being so abused.
I think I would have done better not missing my ENTIRE freshman year of high school (that one thing had a profound effect on my education), been told that I was lucky to have the family I did (since I was such a worthless piece of shit and all),been basically forced to confess to things I never did and be to think on my own (you know like staff thought) to gain some type of acceptance in a place I could not escape.
Nance
cleveland:
Stripe, check this out for a nonstandard view of treatment outcomes:
http://www.peele.net/lib/treatment.html
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