Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher

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On 2006-01-13 19:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-13 19:11:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Yes windows are locked to prevent runaways and visits by students of the opposite sex. However, every dorm has a night security person and if there were a fire they would open all fire escape exits. There is no safety violation in that regard."

Excellent point."

"Excellent point"?  I'm sorry, but did you recently take a severe blow to the head?

One, it's illegal to lock any emergency exits ever.  That's why they're called "emergency" exits.

Two, there is no legal basis whatsoever to keep a kid locked up on campus.  Unless they are mandated by the court to be there, they are free to leave at any time.  This is called "false imprisonment" and it's a serious crime.

Three, with a night watch person on duty, how in the world can any kids sneak into anyone else's room or building?  Are you saying that these people don't do their jobs or that there aren't enough of them?

Honestly, people, some of the things you say are so incredibly stupid and irresponsible that you are killing your own business by posting.

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On 2006-01-14 05:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The nightwatch people are already in the building. they wouldnt "charge" into the building if they are already inside. "

In that case, no, they wouldn't.  But neither would they move into the fire to unlock doors.  That's just a retarded notion.

Might I ask, if they're already inside the building, how can kids sneak in or out?  Are the night staff blind and deaf?  Sleeping?  Screwing off?

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You are incorrect. They are not free to leave at any time. They are sent there by their parents. If they leave campus without their parents consent, they are considered running away, and if they are under a certain age based on state law, they are the ones breaking the law. That is the very reason the police are called when a student leaves campus.

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On 2006-01-14 05:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You are incorrect. They are not free to leave at any time. They are sent there by their parents. If they leave campus without their parents consent, they are considered running away, and if they are under a certain age based on state law, they are the ones breaking the law. That is the very reason the police are called when a student leaves campus."

That's fine.  Then you call the police.  You, as an ACADEMIC BOARDING SCHOOL, are prevented by law from having legal custody.  Look at your own accrediting agency as well.  They state clearly that you may not take legal custody of children.

Since you cannot legally have parental rights and you are supposedly an academic boarding school without a license to provide RTC services (in which case you could hold kids against their will), you, as in HLA staff, cannot imprison any of your charges against their will.  All you can do is let them leave and call the police.

I assure you though, that I will be reporting your statements to SACS-CASI as well as ORS.  Thank you for the valualble information you have provided.

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"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-14 07:03 ]

[SHH Anon Classics]

Exactly. The school does not have legal custody. However the parents placed the children there and if they leave they are runaways. Hence the reason the police are called. The children cannot just "leave whenever they want to".

[SHH Anon Classics]

I am not a staff member

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On 2006-01-14 07:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Exactly. The school does not have legal custody. However the parents placed the children there and if they leave they are runaways. Hence the reason the police are called. The children cannot just "leave whenever they want to"."

The SCHOOL is not allowed, by law, to force a kid to stay on campus.  They can call the police and let the police act as they see fit, but HLA is barred BY LAW from locking any kids in or preventing them from leaving.

From your idiotic reasoning, a supermarket could lock a kid inside just because the parents "brought them there."

Because they legally operate as traditional boarding school they are not allowed to prevent anyone from leaving at any time.  That's the law, no matter what you have to say about it.

HLA is not licensed as an RTC and is therefore prevented from legally prohibiting any kid from walking off campus.  If they do, it is unlawful imprisonment.

You're pretty dense.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-14 07:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Exactly. The school does not have legal custody. However the parents placed the children there and if they leave they are runaways. Hence the reason the police are called. The children cannot just "leave whenever they want to"."

It's well known that they can't 'leave when they want to'. Some have reported being restrained for attempting to do so. They are 'patient'.

I could be wrong, but I've never heard of a Traditional Boarding School behaving that way.
At traditional schools, students are free to come and go. If someone is missing, I'd guess they call the parents first and might put out an APB if foul play is expected.

Traditional schools also do not force/coerce students to stay past the age of majority.
Traditional schools are not 24 month 'programs' and do not require therapy or round the clock supervision and surviellence. They don't limit contact with family or deny home visit for academic incompletes. To name a few...

Now what again qualifies HLA as a Traditional Boarding School?

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-14 07:35:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I am not a staff member"

Then why do you attempt to answer technical questions? If you're not staff then you're just another anonymous poster with opinions that means nothing. Just wasting time, space, and people's attention.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-14 08:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-14 07:34:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Exactly. The school does not have legal custody. However the parents placed the children there and if they leave they are runaways. Hence the reason the police are called. The children cannot just "leave whenever they want to"."

It's well known that they can't 'leave when they want to'. Some have reported being restrained for attempting to do so. They are 'patient'.



I could be wrong, but I've never heard of a Traditional Boarding School behaving that way.

At traditional schools, students are free to come and go. If someone is missing, I'd guess they call the parents first and might put out an APB if foul play is expected.



Traditional schools also do not force/coerce students to stay past the age of majority.

Traditional schools are not 24 month 'programs' and do not require therapy or round the clock supervision and surviellence. They don't limit contact with family or deny home visit for academic incompletes. To name a few...



Now what again qualifies HLA as a Traditional Boarding School?

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Both of you are right.  They are not allowed to leave campus anytime they want to without consequences.  The consequence is that the police will be called.  Staff do not restrain the kids or lock them up so that they will not leave.  If that has ever happened, then the staff were behaving against HLA policy.  According to HLA policy students are to only be restrained if they are hurting themselves, someone else, or are in imenent danger of doing so.  Running away does not fall into this category.

I think when the anon writer says that they are not allowed to, what they mean is that it is against the rules and there will be consequences, such as the police being called and them being put on restrictions.  Even then, the kid can walk away from campus anytime they feel like it.  There will just continue to be more consequences.

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This is not true.  They WILL be restrained.  I've seen that much.

Also, can you explain why the why they are locked in the dorms at night in violation of the fire code?

Could you please answer these other questions, since you are familiar with HLA's policies?

Why does HLA allegedly allow people to work there after they've had sex with their minor patients?

Or why does HLA take court ordered kids but lie to parents and say they don't?

Or how exactly does HLA cure homosexuality?

Or how does millieu control benefit children?

Or why does HLA illegally use forced labor to improve the campus as punishment?

Or why does HLA strip search children when they tell parents they don't?

Or why does HLA use confrontation and call it group therapy?

Or why does HLA not have a contact for grievances in violation of its accreditation?

Or why does HLA use Lifespring large group awareness seminars that have been completely discredited over twenty years ago?

Or what are your credentials to comment on HLA's program or policy?

Or why does HLA illegally accept children in violation of the ICPC?

Thanks.

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"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-26 15:22 ]

[SHH Anon Classics]

You havent been on campus since May of 1995, 10 yrs and 8 months ago. How do you know whether or not they will be restrained now? You dont.

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On 2006-01-14 08:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You havent been on campus since May of 1995, 10 yrs and 8 months ago. How do you know whether or not they will be restrained now? You dont."

Many kids have reported that they do.  Some as recently as this month.  Other staff members have posted in the past three months that kids are restrained.

How about answering those other questions now?

Thanks.

[Anonymous]

do u read myspace?
http://groups.myspace.com/HiddenLakeAcademy

you haven't been there in five years suzanne. whadda you know?  :rofl:

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-14 08:54:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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On 2006-01-14 08:49:00, Anonymous wrote:


"You havent been on campus since May of 1995, 10 yrs and 8 months ago. How do you know whether or not they will be restrained now? You dont."

Many kids have reported that they do.  Some as recently as this month.  Other staff members have posted in the past three months that kids are restrained.



How about answering those other questions now?



Thanks.
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ah, no. don't ask her to answer anything. it'd be a waste of bandwidth.