Is it just me?

[Carmel]

This whole thing about Cheney and the high ups raising funds for Delay and so forth.

Doesnt that just look really BAD?

I mean the guy is a criminal, do they really think that rallying around him improves their credibility?

I just feel all sorts of wrong about this situation.  Comments?

[Anonymous]

cheneys public approval rating hovers around 18% these days.

[Antigen]

Carmel, think about this for a minute, tell me if I'm waaaayyy off.

There was this small to midsized company that went all programmie and high tech in the early 90's. They had been in the restaurant accounting field, they just hooked onto the PC wave and computerized it for their clients. It had been a family business, but had grown some and tried to go public. In the exciting atmosphere of the late `90's IPO craze, these relatively decent, honest people just sort of "borrowed" a few months worth fo 401k contributions, ya' know, to cover costs just till the big bags of cash started falling from heaven any hour now.

So then after they laid everyone off w/ 0 days notice, the employees found out when they tried to cash in their accounts.

They did pay it back w/o anyone having to envoke force of law. But I doubt seriously they understand, to this day, that they are criminals. And that's just a small company, maybe 1 generation of business owners away from having been employees. They're not that insular. But it was enough.

How far out of register do you think the Büsh Dynasty's frame of reference is from the rest of us? I mean, do you think they comprehend that they and their buddies are criminals? Or, in a very real way, do they favor the notion that they're all ok, it's the rest of us who just haven't got the insight to understand it?

What is this new loyalty? It is, above all, conformity. It is the uncritical and unquestioning acceptance of America as it is. It rejects inquiry into the race question or socialized medicine or public housing, regards as heinous any challenge to what is called the system of private enterprise, identifying that system with Americanism. It abandons evolution, repudiates the once popular concept of progress, and regards America as a finished product, perfect and complete. The concept of loyalty as conformity is a false one. It is narrow and restrictive, denies freedom of thought and conscience... What do men know of loyalty who make a mockery of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights?
http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/commager.html' target='_new'>Henry Steele Commager, 1947

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Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82

[Carmel]

Thanks Ginger, that very well illustrates my thoughts.

You are very right.  It just seems so much like the world is getting that much more blind with each increasingly blatant scenario.  But that the intention, isnt it?

[Antigen]

On 2005-11-25 11:33:00, Carmel wrote:

It just seems so much like the world is getting that much more blind with each increasingly blatant scenario.  But that the intention, isnt it?"

No, I don't think it is intentional. I think I know these people pretty well by way of having been raised on the same dogma. Maybe I'm wrong, but so far the theory holds up pretty well. My mom was not just a run-o-the-mill Seed parent. She was a super duper volunteer, fund raiser, recruiter.... if she hadn't been so obviously lunatic, she probably would have been invited on as exec staff at either the Seed or Straight.

But, except in that regard--that lack of discretion--she was very, very like any of the rest of the control freaks. So I assume, based on that and a lot of the other facts and detailes that make up my whole life experience, that they think a lot like she does. Or my dad. Or so many others I've gotten to know over the years.

They truely and honestly believe that they're saving the world from itself. So did the advocates of Manifest Destiny. Same shit. And anyone who can't see that as clearly and obviously as they can--how someone like DeLay has done so much good work we should overlook his little foibles, forgive and forget--why we just haven't got the awareness they have. And so they'll have to sort of cajole and dceive us into going along what they know is right.

And how do they know what's right? God told them, silly! He was speaking in Haiku through Donald Rumsfield. Said the same thing again in some dead Biblical era language through John Ashcroft. Now I ask you, who are we fucked up druggies who need to get a life to question God himself?

I think these people actually want Armagedon and think God has chosen them to get it rolling.

Scared yet? I am. I really and truely think this is pretty close to the truth because it explains so much more than any other theory I know of.

But it is just a theory. I'd love to hear what anybody's got to say to knock it down. This is one boogieman I'd rather find was just a product of my overactive imagination.
 

"...In general, it's just an overall sign in America that there doesn't seem to be as much respect for authority figures, and that's a bad trend. It just strikes me that people can say whatever they want to and get away with it, and that's not good."

--But David Murrell, exec. dir. of the Florida Police Benevolent Association

[Anonymous]

Dear Ginger and Carmel,

No, my dear's it is called fascism.

Fascists believe that ideas such as right and wrong are for ivory tower intellectuals. What is needed is action. Right and wrong are just matters of opinion, and they accomplish nothing except to keep men of action from getting the job done. To a fascist, the only guiding principle is, do whatever appears necessary. No exceptions, no limits. If free trade appears necessary, we should have free trade. If restrictions on trade appear necessary, we should have restrictions. If lower taxes appear necessary, that's o.k. and if higher taxes appear necessary, that's o.k., too. If freedom appears necessary, fine, and if slavery appears necessary, also fine. If murdering millions appears necessary, why not? Right and wrong are just matters of opinion.

There is no line a fascist will not cross if he believes it is necessary. This enables a fascist to be a chameleon. On any given issue he will adopt whatever prescription he believes might work. He can appear to be a socialist, a conservative, liberal, libertarian, anything. And if he believes conditions have changed and a new prescription is necessary, he will switch without hesitation.

Kind Regards,

Chuck

As rain pours through badly thatched houses, So does desire penetrate the undeveloped mind.
Words of Buddha