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cleveland:
And teh all-important way to dismiss any question - "It's not important"
Stripe:
Do you guys notice how these sayings, or at least most all of them, have the insidious effect of destroying self-esteem - and thus making us even more weak and susceptible to control? These things we said about ourselves or to each other proved to be very powerful words that ended up making us weaker, NOT stronger.
It's really odd to me that given the whole idea that as seedlings we were told we were great and could achieve anything we (they) set our minds to...and yet, existing simultaneously with this ludicrous, self-aggrandized concept being shoved in our heads is the complete dismissal and put down of all independent act and thought. Y'all see that, right?
Is it any wonder that thinking people who went through that program are conflicted well into their middle-aged lives? I don't see how any person who has tired to embrace the ideals of a program that required you to believe wholeheartedly that you are a flawed individual could result in anything but confused, conflicted and addicted persons.
When parents do these things to their children, or spouses do this to each other, it's called emotional abuse. Society gets all up in arms about it and sends in CNN, the social workers, the psychologists,the economic helpers, etc., to stop the abuse and fix the problems and heal the victims.
When a "rehab" does it to you and you call 'em on it, your observations are dismissed as sour grapes, or you are told you are reacting like a baby, or my most (un)favorite sweeping dismissal of all time....being told to "get over it".
Stripe:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-21 11:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think Hitler may have been a tad bit harsher...
Do ya think?"
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More harsh how? By killing the body as opposed to maiming the mind? I think maiming the mind is much worse because when all is said and done, you get to live with the results instead of the peace that comes with certain end. Granted, there may be some peace in repairing the mind, but the damage and scars are always there. And some people never do get any help to repair themselves and they continue to live with the effects day after day after day.
And by no means am I minimizing or making light of what happend in the SS Death camps to the gypsies, the jews or any of the other humans who paid the price for being different.[ This Message was edited by: Stripe on 2005-11-21 16:02 ]
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-21 11:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think Hitler may have been a tad bit harsher...
Do ya think?"
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Hitler himself? Who knows. Hilter didn't do much of anything but give speeches. And what he did do was to influence others to do his bidding, and even that he didn't do alone. He had help.
The German holocaust didn't happen in a vacuum. It's not asif, all of a sudden one clear day some guys got together and said "Hey, let's build a factory or two, staff it w/ captive slaves then burn or gas the ones who survive beyond their usefulnes." It took years of conditioning through all kinds propaganda and progroms. Germans were led along one small step at a time till they were gullible enough to belive the Reichstag fire and the Enabling Act.
Now, how far along are we? Anybody believe the official version of events surrounding the WTO attack? Anybody believe the PATRIOT Act is neccessary, or even helpful to OUR interests? Does anyone reading this think it's helpful, sensible or fair that over a million people sit in prison, some for all of the useful years of their lives, for something as petty as drug posession? Does anybody wonder how we, Americans, came to accept such arbitrary and unjust cruelty?
Anybody who still believes the smirking chimp was ever elected president should read this FindLaw article, The Gore Exception
I believe that relgion is the belief in future life and in God. I don't believe in either. I don't believe in God as I don't believe in Mother Goose.
--Clarence Darrow, American lawyer
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cajun75:
Dear All,
I think the key for me is to be my own master and think for myself. I hope this forum teaches everyone to do just that. When I was in the seed, I did not have much of a choice, I was only sixteen. I had an overbearing father who put me there and he still can be an overbearing parent although he has good intentions, and yet, in spite of all of this, I sure Love him. Greg and Ginger, it sounds like you guys had a father like that also. I wish I had the chance to have gotton to know him. Even Jesus says be your own master:
From Aquarian Gospel:
Vidyapati said to jesus, The coming age is not the age of spirit life and men will pride themselves as saints. The simple rites that you will introduce will be extolled by those who follow you, until the sacred service of the age will far outshine in generousness the priestly service of the Brahmic age. This is a problem men must solve. The perfect age will come when every man will be a priest and men will not array themselves in special garb to advertise their piety.
In the Gita Arjuna asks Krishna, what drives people to commit sinful acts, even unwillingly, as if by force?
The Lord Said:
It is desire, born of passion and later transformed into wrath, that is the all-devouring sinful enemy of this world. As fire is covered by smoke, as a mirror by dust, as an embryo by the womb, so knowledge is covered by desire. Thus knowledge is veiled by desire, the eternal enemy of the wise, which is never satisfied and burns like fire. It lives in the senses, the mind, and the intelligence, using them to cover knowledge and bewilder the living being. Therefore first control your senses, Arjuna, then slay this sinful destroyer of knowledge and self-realization. The senses are elevated, but above them is the mind, and above the mind is the intelligence; yet the self is even higher than the intelligence. Knowing yourself to be transcendental to the intelligence, steady the lower self by the higher self and defeat this formidable enemy called desire.
Kind Regards,
Chuck
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