Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones
RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
Awake:
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Exactly! or it could mean something completely different. I think if you look at the date on the post you will see it occurred some time ago.
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Ya know... "Exactly! or it could mean something completely different," does pretty much cover all possibilities, now doesn't it?
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Ambigutiy in communication... not a new tactic by any means, but effective sometimes. The Milton model in hypnosis and NLP is the most defined example of how and when to use this technique that I know of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_model
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do you mean ambiguity like.. "I was abused by the industry"... well who abused you?... "ah,no one specific,just the industry in general".... hmmm so the entire industry is responsible?... "Exactly".
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are they not? viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30423
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Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Joel" ---Which equates to "I have a legally binding written agreement signed between ***** and Whooter stipulating non-disclosure of the legally binding agreement."
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Exactly! or it could mean something completely different. I think if you look at the date on the post you will see it occurred some time ago.
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Ya know... "Exactly! or it could mean something completely different," does pretty much cover all possibilities, now doesn't it?
--- End quote ---
Ambigutiy in communication... not a new tactic by any means, but effective sometimes. The Milton model in hypnosis and NLP is the most defined example of how and when to use this technique that I know of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_model
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30591&p=364699&hilit=nlp#p364699
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do you mean ambiguity like.. "I was abused by the industry"... well who abused you?... "ah,no one specific,just the industry in general".... hmmm so the entire industry is responsible?... "Exactly".
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I'm afraid I haven't run across that conversation yet, Whooter. Care to provide a link?
Or was this another one of your attempts to belittle or discredit survivor accounts? Do tell.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---I'm afraid I haven't run across that conversation yet, Whooter. Care to provide a link?
Or was this another one of your attempts to belittle or discredit survivor accounts? Do tell.
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Belittle or discredit? What do you mean? comments Like saying: survivors are only happy because they are brainwashed? .... Or drank the Kool-aid? .....Give them a few years and they will realize how abused they were?
Oh wait that only applies to survivors who did well. Ursus, I don’t think fornits posters, like yourself, would belittle or discredit these people. Nor would they do this to program parents because that would impose a double standard. I also dont think posters like yourself would point this out for just one of the groups and turning a blind eye to the others because this would make you complicit with the double standard.
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Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---I'm afraid I haven't run across that conversation yet, Whooter. Care to provide a link?
Or was this another one of your attempts to belittle or discredit survivor accounts? Do tell.
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Belittle or discredit? What do you mean? comments Like saying: survivors are only happy because they are brainwashed? .... Or drank the Kool-aid? .....Give them a few years and they will realize how abused they were?
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Well... often, that *is* exactly what happens. When you first leave or exit a program, you are generally still interpreting "your reality" as defined by the ideological system in which you were recently immersed. This indoctrination often wears off over time and with exposure to the "real world," although not always.
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Oh wait that only applies to survivors who did well.
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Not true. There are plenty who did not do well, yet still guzzle that Kool-aid all too gustily. :D
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Ursus, I don’t think fornits posters, like yourself, would belittle or discredit these people. Nor would they do this to program parents because that would impose a double standard. I also dont think posters like yourself would point this out for just one of the groups and turning a blind eye to the others because this would make you complicit with the double standard.
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I'm not really sure what you are trying to say here. Care to spell it out a bit more?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Well... often, that *is* exactly what happens. When you first leave or exit a program, you are generally still interpreting "your reality" as defined by the ideological system in which you were recently immersed. This indoctrination often wears off over time and with exposure to the "real world," although not always.
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I believe this is what you tell yourself and what you need to believe because it would shake your world too much to realize the truth that most people do well in programs and move on with their lives. If you ever tried to float this idea to any professional (or most people outside of fornits) you would be surprised by his/her response.
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