On 2005-11-15 08:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
" The reason I posted that I never endured nor witnessed abuse at LIFE is simply to state the truth. WHY would I NOT jump in with you all if I did?!? Many of you state that "these programs" are harmful and abusive to all , when that was NOT my experience at ALL (nor was it for hundreds of others I witnessed through my time there).
You're absolutely right - you should jump in. But instead of personally attacking
people why don't you challenge the facts? How is it that I and several others witnessed different things?
I can think of at least two people by name that I saw "taken down". One of those names appeared on the reunion board, so I'm going to guess that she won't corroborate the story. Furthermore - I can't trust my memory that is was
actually that person. The other person I've come to know personally, but she doesn't have the capacity to get involved in this, and I'm not going to "out" her, like so many jerks like to do for sadistic pleasure around here. If she's reading, she'll know who I mean. I know I saw quite a few "taken down" and shuffled to the back while the staff at the time led us in a chorus of Zip-a-dee-doo-dah.
Hell, I remember one going down right next me - damned near knocked me outta the pew.
I find it hard to believe that only I and two other people I know from there have witnessed this. But then again, you find it hard to believe that we did - so either something drastically changed during your group or ours, or someone's not telling the whole truth.
Obviously this really bothers you as it does NOT support your claims. I won't sit back and say nothing when I know different. That's what my problem is with you making ACROSS THE BOARD claims on all teen drug programs. It seems easy to just JOIN THE GANG here and say, "Oh Yea , I was abused too! I ate PBJ sandwiches, and couldn't watch TV for months! TORTUROUS." But I will not.
No, feeding a kid PB&J is not abusive. But keeping a kid on a diet of PB&J? What's the motivation? What's the purpose? What kind of outcome is that supposed to produce?
No TV - again, not torture. However, what do you call it when you withold
all outside information from someone, and then one day tell them we're being nuked? Again - what kind of "therapy" is that?
Was the old 80's kitsch phrase
PSYCHE!!! supposed to be funny when you're told you're gonna die in the next hour?
No makeup or cosmetics - fine. But what was the lack of personal hygiene supposed to prove? Why couldn't you use acne soap if you had zits or shave your legs? Why could the guys shave?
I could go on and on. But you're right... these little things taken on their own aren't "harmful", but they weren't designed to make you appreciate your "natural beauty" or spark conversation about "The Day After".
Seems that many of you may have displaced anger. How did you GET to these programs? A parent? Maybe that's who your issues are with?
Yep - good point. But the parents weren't the "professionals", were they? Yeah, kids did drugs. Some kids might have had real problems. Some kids in there did not. How do you explain that? Don't you think that if you're going to "diagnose" someone with drug
use even - you should have a positive lab test to back it up?
So yeah, the main problem is the parents - and I know there had to have been more than one parent who dumped their kid in there for the wrong reasons - and none of the professionals ever weeded them out - why?
You have SO MUCH to say about how awful these programs are, yet you offer NOTHING as an alternative. Nothing. No positive energies here.
It just is interesting that you can't seem to accept that what you state was YOUR experience, was not that of everyone. Only shooting comments out of "your still brainwashed", or "your being paid to comtinue torturing kids" when I or anyone else posts.
So, keep on your plight if that is your CALLING in life. I'm just stating the OTHER side of this story."
I'm not going to post redundantly - the links to the recent media attention are
all over this board. Before that, letters have been written, protests have been staged, reporters have been talked to, investigations have been done, lawsuits are underway... oh, and places have been shut down. Have you been
here yet? Evidence
has been gathered.
Have you seen the KHK video? Did you know that KHK was started when kids from LIFE were bussed up to Cincinatti?
The focus of that video (which is hauntingly the same, IMHO) is not about
abuse but
brainwashingSo yes -
please jump in - but at least address the methods and tell how you think they worked.
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[ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2005-11-15 12:58 ]