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Offline Phil Diaz

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« on: October 01, 2001, 08:34:38 PM »
I am curious if there was any mention of the Straight Survivor who visited S.A.F.E., Inc. in Orlando FL.  I believe it was a little over a month ago.  I am mostly curious to hear his reaction, as well as everyone else's feedback.  Please let me know, I am a curious guest.
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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2001, 09:51:29 PM »
I had not heard about that, it was brought up at the conference but it seemed like the SAFE reps were stonewalling and just giving lip-service to the idea.


A few days after the conference, I met a man in his mid 20's at a public pool, who had been to SAFE for 18 months in the late 90's. He described it as "a year and a half of hell." His story was almost identical to some of the worst things I have heard from straight survivors, including a lot of physical violence. He said they actually tried to have him arrested once for destruction of property when several SAFE staff tried to smash his head into a wall and he kicked through it in self-defense.


There is little doubt in my mind that SAFE is just as abusive as STRAIGHT was. The same goes for the other spinoff programs and of course the TEENHELP, CEDU, and hundreds of independent brainwashing and torture centers.
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2001, 09:13:57 AM »
Phil, I might be wrong, but I think there was a guy talking about his trip to their on the other board,  Straight Inc Alumni.  Iam not sure if he visits this board.  
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2001, 09:58:11 PM »
Yes, I heard something about that visit as well, and I would also be curious to hear of his reaction.... Are you still out there Mike?
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My visit to SAFE
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2001, 11:58:26 PM »
Yes - I'm still here.
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2001, 01:46:23 PM »
I would love to know if we were right or wrong.  Please tell us.  If you can't or don't want to say it publicly, will you email me?  [email protected]
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2001, 11:28:09 PM »
Ok - take this for what it's worth . . .


On Wednesday, September 26, I spent about 12 hours

"observing" at SAFE.   Loretta Parrish and I had been

emailing back and forth for a short time w/me asking

her about SAFE and the model that is used at SAFE and  is it different from Straight.  I asked Loretta if I could come and observe a day at SAFE and she said it was ok.   So . . . here is what I saw and what I think about SAFE.


Generally, I must say that SAFE appears to a really

calmed down Straight model.  They still use the phase

system (which personally I think is not good), w/a 6th

phase that is what Straight called the aftercare

portion of graduating.   The group was split up w/guys

and girls of opposite sides as it was at Straight.

When I was in Straight, there was only one group and

that was in St. Pete and it had about 300 or so kids.

At SAFE, I saw only about 20  kids.  They still do

that @#%$ up motivating that we did.  Most of the

raps were led by kids, although one was led by an

executive staff member that I was told did have some kind of degree (BS).   The rap that he led was about the "disease theory of drug abuse".    I didn't really agree w/some of the stuff that they discussed about the model, but some I did agree with.    Anyway, medication was handed out by a nurse,which is different than when I was at Straight (we had no nurse or at least I never

saw one).    The clients still do the confrontation

stuff with the yelling and some cursing, but it

appears that they must keep a certain distance  from

the other clients they are confronting.   Actually,

that is a good thing as one time when I was getting

"confronted", and I closed my eyes, I was head butted

by another client.  


The kids that were not on 3rd phase or higher had
"school", prior to lunch and while the book shelves

had books on math, economics, geography, science etc, from what I could tell, there was really no real class work going on, just kids reading or sleeping (which is more than we were allowed to do on 1st and 2nd phase). Clients did not hold each other's belt loops, or put their hands on shoulders (1st phasers w/responsibilties).  I also went to a host home and it appeared that the kids at this home did not get locked in - they just had windows and doors w/alarms.  I did see some stuff that gave me  concern, such as in the exercise rap, the rap leader said that they would have to do more exercises because some of the group was not trying hard enough.   I was told this was not the case, that the exercise was for a specific period of time whether or not the kids tryed hard or not.   Either way, the punishing of the group for the transgressions of a few is classic brainwashing, similar to what our GI's had done to

them during the Korean war.


Do I think the SAFE program is effective or does it really work?   No, I still think the model that is used is FOS (to use a Straight abbreviation).  I don't think it works in the long run . . . God knows it didn't for me or for most of the people I know that graduated from Straight.  As our good friend Ginger says " . . . effective, but not theraputic . .  ." (hope I got the quote right).  From what I saw, I think the abuse that can be proven (ie physical) and things that could get them sued have been for the most part, taken out.  I think the brainwashing is still there, an intregal part of the program.


Anyway, I think that SAFE will take care of itself in

the long or short run . . . the model is outdated,

kinda like 1960's technology and will go away.   The group had only about 20-25 kids.   I doubt they can make a profit w/that few clients.


I had an opportunity to speak w/a recent graduate who was kinda like an intern, working for SAFE.  I saw him update some kind of records and give kids permission to use the bathroom during study period.  He seemed like a really nice kid, about 20 years old I guess.   I can't remember anything shocking that he told me about the program.   Anyway, Loretta and clan were very civil to me; I don't think I was taken for a ride.  


Hey - let's have the next conference in Florida.  Dr. Trebach can come to Florida and we can gang up on the Florida legislature.  


Also, who is Phil Diaz?
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Thanks
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2001, 11:43:51 PM »
Thanks for your observation.  Were you able to go into their bathrooms?  What were they like?  What about time-out?  What about "misbehaviors"?  What about Weaver?  Did you find out about the drugs they take?  Why? and How much?  What were their meal times like? Did they have guards at the doors?  If newcomers weren't belt-looped, what prevented them from leaving?  Did they get any mail?  Were they allowed to make phone calls?  Were there only white, upper-middle class kids? Did you get to read their list of rules, or did they have a rules rap? Just some of the questions that come to my mind.


I'm guessing Phil Diaz is one of the current parents at SAFE.  (But I don't know who he is.)
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answers to questions
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2001, 12:45:44 AM »
Ok, let's see . . .


Yes, I saw the bathroom.  Just like most all of the mens rooms I have ever been in.  There was a shower w/no mirrors.

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Yes, they had a rules rap and I read a list of rules.  The rules rap was similar to what we had . . . honesty, talking behind backs, etc.  They also had rules about clients rights; I thought that was pretty good.  The rule I heard was something about being able to call DCF (the old HRS).   I'm sorry I don't remember anythig out of the ordinary about the rules (that is if anything about these places is ordinary)


The drugs I observed the kids taking at drug time included inhalers and some type of pills.  The kids that took the pills seemed ok in that they weren't acting like jerks or misbehaviors.  I saw a couple of kids sleeping and not paying attention, but no one really paid them much attention except to tell them to pay attention, but it wasn't really obsessive.
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oh yeah, I didn't answer all your questions . . .
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2001, 12:49:35 AM »
Don't know about the mail.  You know they don't get mail.  Maybe from parents once its censored.  


Yes, there were kids at the doors.  I was told that anyone 18 and over can just leave.  Under 18 must have parents permission.
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2001, 09:27:45 AM »
Thanks again.  Maybe you can speak about your experience at the next conference?  Kathy  


(I have a million more questions...and I'm sure others do too.)
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2002, 06:40:00 PM »
At the risk of waving red flags and inviting a maelstrom, I wanted to thank Kathy especially and others who were very hospitable to me in July at the conference in Bethesda. It was not necessary that I felt agreed with, but I was relieved to feel at least heard. This was especailly true when Kathy invited me to speak on Saturday evening.  Thank you.  I was also glad to see a visitor to the building and to a host home, especailly one who asked to do that at your conference.   Brian Seeber
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2002, 06:24:00 PM »
Hi Brian. Good to hear from you. I hope all is well with you and yours. Have you looked into item #9 on the CEO training sheet yet?
Not a mailstrom, just a jab. :grin:
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2002, 02:19:00 AM »
I can't say.  


SMILE!!

Nice to hear from you too.
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Re: S.A.F.E., Inc.
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2010, 10:23:20 AM »
I'm not sure how up-to-date the below is; I found it on CorporationWiki.com...


Another name that comes up associated with each of these people and S.A.F.E., Inc. (re. this listing), but is not noted as an officer, is Richard L Vitecka.

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S.A.F.E., Inc.

Incorporated by Brian R Seeber, Cyndie Pischetola, Glenn R Neubauer, Margaret Brown, S.A.F.E., Inc. is located at 5607 Hansel Ave Orlando, FL 32809. S.A.F.E., Inc. was incorporated on Thursday, June 28, 2001 in the State of FL and is currently not active. Brian R Seeber represents S.A.F.E., Inc. as their registered agent.
Source: Public Record data - Department of State - Division of Corporations.

Officers:

  • Brian R Seeber
  • Cyndie Pischetola
  • Glenn R Neubauer
  • Margaret Brown

FL Corporate Record

    State of Record:    FL
    State Reference ID:    N01000004583
    Registered Agent:    Brian R Seeber

    File Date:    6/28/2001
    Active:    False
    Filing Type:    Domestic Non Profit[/list]
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