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« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2005, 04:55:00 PM »
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"It's when you are an "Upperclassmen" student or whatever and you assist with a propheet. It's just doing it all over again but supposedly you're supposed to be helping the staff out and the other students. It's wasn't supposed to be like going through the whole thing again, but it usually ended up being just like the first time you did. We didn't call it "Soft Seating" at NWA, we called it Supporting.



The one that I did was basically like the first time except that they didn't focus so much on me as they did the other students. But it was totally gay. And while you sort of voulnteered to do it, the staff had a great influence. It was just the illusion of choice. They would suggest it to you and if you chose not to do it, negative consequences would follow. Totally lame. "


You're missing what I'm saying. We had supporting at BCA as well. It was completely different from soft-seating. Let me explain...

Supporting: You were usually through at least your Dreams (the 4th in our program), but sometimes you could do it after the Brothers. You were basically going through the propheet for a second (or third, or 4th, whatever) time. You did everything the actual peer group did...you were just there to give them a 'model' of how to do the propheet. Essentially the same as an 'upperclassmen' supporting in a voyager rap.

Soft-seating (aka co-facilitating): You weren't partaking in the experience, you were actually running it. You had to be through your I Want to Live to soft-seat, but often had to be through the Values as well. Soft-seating got its name from the fact that you actually sat in one of the soft seats that the staff sat in the entire time. You had your own little notebook with the entire script in it and you would run all the little activities. If someone had soft seated the I & Me, they would've been the one next to you reading those bullshit 'fantastic voyage' words into your ear instead of actually being on the mattress like a supporter would have been. Soft-seaters were staff for the duration of the 'experience'. They didn't sit in the break room with you, they were in the break room with the staff eating real food instead of ham sandwiches.
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« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2005, 05:06:00 PM »
Ah ha. I was missing your point. There weren't any "Soft-Seaters" whan I was at NWA. I was wrong, sorry. So you mean students actually helped run the Propheets?! That's messed up. Nothing likt that ever happened when I was at NWA. The only students that were in the Prohpeets besides the peer group were the supporters. Wow, I can't imagine other students acting like they were staff. That's beyond me.
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« Reply #47 on: October 28, 2005, 05:39:00 PM »
In the early 90's at cedu (can't speak for before or after then), there were only supporters, not soft-seaters.
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« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2005, 06:26:00 PM »
I was there from '99 to '02. It wasn't rare to see someone soft-seat, but it was rare that it would actually be a different group of students. In my first 6 months, if someone soft-seated, it was one of the same 4 or 5 kids...the ultimate of the ass kissing, 'look good', self righteous idiots who always snitched on you for breaking bans and things like that. I would've loved to get one shot at one of them, but hey.

It really was amazing to see these kids actually imitating staff. It was bad enough to have staff in there doing what they did in propheets, but to have some kid trying to pull it off as well? Made me sick that kids actually allowed themselves to do it. They were already in New Horizons or Summit, already had their privileges and could taste their freedom, but still, for pure pleasure, wanted to run a propheet. Assholes if you ask me.
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« Reply #49 on: October 28, 2005, 09:49:00 PM »
Holy crap, I've never heard of anything as crazy as soft seating in my life. As if the staff weren't unqualified enough. Talk about a "propheet kapo"!

We didn't have anything like that when I was there. Supporting at RMA in the 80s was a lot like what the anon said it was like at BCA, except that you had to have gone through your IWTL to be eligable. You sat in the plastic chairs just like all the other students, and you went through all of the same things they did, it's just that you were there as a "role model" and to essentially be supportive. When the staff went to confer between breaks, you didn't go with them or speak with them. You stayed with all the other students.

There was also the situation where students just went through a propheet again, because they were having a hard time. This was essentially the antithesis of supporting a propheet. You were viewed as a loser. I went through my Truth again when I was in Quest. (Or was it Challenge?) I can't even remember what I had done wrong to warrant it. I think it was that I just simply wasn't "getting with the program" and was having a hard time in raps "getting in touch" with things. I wasn't developing at the same rate as my peer group, essentially. I was put on a work detail and then put through the Truth again. The irony of this whole thing is that I didn't have a speck of "dirt" on my "dirt list", aside from little piddly piss-ant crap that everyone has on theirs, like forgetting to tuck in your shirt one day. It totally wasn't about whether or not I had broken any rules. It was all about "emotional growth" stuff.

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Yes. I rebuilt that wall in 1996. I had to take it down rock by rock and rebuild the wall. I finished 90% of it then got taken off of my 3 1/2-week booth. Some other guy finished the wall. My back still isn't right. My friend Mike--who I still talk to--had something like an 80-day full-time. He built half of the shit at RMA.


Wow, that's about a decade after I built it. I'm sure several students had re-built it inbetween those two times. But you essentially had to do exactly what I did. Take it out rock by rock.

Did you used to do that full-time trick of making a sundial by plunking a stick in the dirt so you knew what time it was? (We weren't allowed watches on a full-time. I don't know if that changed or not.)
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« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2005, 10:17:00 PM »
Please, what is this slander of the beautiful soft seat? Those children who sat in the soft seat were the most wonderful butterflies of you all. All they wanted was to give to your life as much as the ultimate giver, the Summit itself.

It seems that some of you have forgotten just what the Summit has to offer you. I invite you to come join me for a picnic on Clifty. If enough of you join me, we can even play my favorite, the red and green game!
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« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2005, 12:50:00 AM »
"He's baaaaaaacckk!"

I don't know if it's captain brainwashed or captain sarcasm, but something is going on with this dude.

When I supported in the Truth they would occasionally let us in the break room to grab snacks and get coffee, and if they wanted to talk to us.  We also were allowed to take a few breaks and leave (Walden?) for a few.  But we definitely had to sit in a plastic chair and share about ourselves.
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« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2005, 10:12:00 PM »

Reading the posts brought back some memories.   I just like to start with a big "FUCK YOU RMA".

The The Summit, I and Me, Imagine, Values, I Want to Live, Dreams, Childrens, and Truth -- what strange non-applicable crap.

At the summit I attended, we had the so-called 'urban challenge'.   I have no memory of what I had to complete during that time.   I just remember it being a sunny day, and hanging out at a park.   The "Urban Challenge" was a welcome reprieve from the RMA bullshit. I think we were not allowed to talk to anyone from RMA during the challenge -- not being able to talk to anyone from RMA was a blessing.

Thanks to person who mentioned the Key.   I had an old key, and I did not remember what where it was from.

I do remember the contract.  Mine was I am a beautiful forgiving woman.    Huh -- more bullshit.   Who I am cannot be summed up into some cheesy one-liner. I did not recall all the arguing around determining what my one-liner would be, until reading what other folks posted.   I remember the confusion around should my one-liner have the word 'powerful'  in it.    I was amazed that group [or was it facilitators] was having hard time choosing between such dichotomous words.  At that point in the program, I did not have an opinion about what the phrase should be.   I just wanted out!

The costume part -- I thought that was fun.   I liked getting dressed up, and acting.   Sure there were folks making fun of me, but in my mind that was just part of the sucky RMA experience.   In retrospect,  I think I should have been hurt by having to act out that character.   I was Dorothy, from the Wizard of Oz, and I had to walk around saying there is no place like home.

I was one of those kids that did not have a home.   For holidays, I stayed at RMA.   That sucked!

Wow, I was so many years ago.

I remember in The I and Me having to run, and then beat a mattress for hours.   It seems like that path to run was either a trail above the house or down to the farm and then back to whatever that big 'new' was building.    

I think the thing that I liked the best about the I and Me was somewhere in the middle of the night we were given time to be alone.   I walked down to the pond.  The pond was frozen over.   The moon was shinning brightly, and reflecting off of the pond.   I was sitting on top of the diving platform.  I think we were not allowed to smoke during the 'sessions', but I smoked part of a cigarette.  

Oh yeah, there was also the part where people held you down and you had to fight your way out.  Did the group have to push you down too?

For some reason, I remember my mouth hurting from gripping and pulling something with my mouth for so long.   Gosh, I hope that?s a false memory. What a fucked up place!!

Yes, I am conflating the Summit and the I and Me.   But this was many years ago.

On another note,   I went back to the place that I lived at from when I was 7-14.   For some reason I thought that going back to look at the house would be very hard.   But once, I got there the only thing that came to mind was thankfulness that I no longer lived in that house and with those people.   At this moment, I feel thankful that I am no longer at RMA.   Thankfully, as an adult, I have the resources to never be put in placement again.

At the same time, last week I was reading Auschwitz and After by Charlotte Delbo.   Great book -- I highly recommend it. The author speaks to the experiences of French political prisoners in Nazi Germany.   I was surprised at how closely, some of my behavior after leaving and during RMA closely mirrored those women.   I am not suggesting that RMA was anything like horrors seen in Nazi Germany. The two are not even remotely comparable.  But if you have time read the book, and post your opinion.   Maybe PTSD is PTSD regardless of the catalyst. The women in the book re-acted akin to the ways that I have although GREATLY amplified.

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« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2005, 11:21:00 PM »
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For some reason, I remember my mouth hurting from gripping and pulling something with my mouth for so long. Gosh, I hope that?s a false memory. What a fucked up place!!


Yeah, that's from the I&Me. It's one of the few things I remember from it. You had to lay down and bite a towel and pull upwards with your arms while they played the theme song to Rocky. One of the more absurd exercises, to be sure.

I remember hearing that song years later and I was like "Shit man, that's a long-assed fucking song! Did we actually have to do it for the whole thing?"

So you ran on a trail for the I&Me? I think they just had us run in place inside.

Smoking... you must have been at RMA in the 80s, they banned smoking halfway through my stay there. It was so nice that I never had to clean up any more butt cans on Saturday crews.
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« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2005, 08:26:00 AM »
I don't know how anyone could read this shit and not know this stuff is totally inappropriate and fucked up for children.  This is not emotional growth, folks! And to think, some students were only 12 or 13 when they first came to CEDU.  Those years are so pivotal in the growing up process how in the hell do you develop any compass or reference point for proper emotional development after that? UGH!
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« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2005, 07:23:00 PM »
I really am curious (mostly for my play) on what music was played, what kind of signs decorated the room, about the agreements, etc...  I also want to hear more costume party stories.  Just bizarre...

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« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2005, 09:46:00 AM »
Agreements huh? Have to sit in the open position. Can't talk to anyone outside the Summit. Have to do exactly as the staff say, no questions asked. I think that this wasn't an agreement, but whatever you did "Out Of Agreement" in the summit, you had to make up for later. Like if you talked to someone outside the summit, you would have to work for a day, or something like that. I can't really remember too many of the agreements.

Tools/Signs: "Win Win" "They are giants" or something like that. That sign changed like the last day. It read for the first four days "They COULD be giants" then once you found your contract or whatever it changed to "They are giants" "Love is letting go of fear" I can't remember too many of those either. I have them all written down in my Summit notebook though. I think they made you write them down.

Music: They played the "FAME" theme a lot. The song from Chariots of Fire. "All night long" and those are the only ones I can remember. I'm sure there was some John Denver and some John Lennon though.
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« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2005, 01:20:00 AM »
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"So, let me get this straight... day one and two are like normal raps, day three is the raft exercise and the funeral/death/obituary day, day four is the costume party and day five is neighborhoods/contracts?  I can't get these days straight.  When do you go into Bonners and talk to people, the urban challenge I think its called (or do you)?  How does the Summit kick off?  How do they wrap it up?  What in the hell does "The Rose", roses or "Fame" (the song that everyone dances to) have to do with anything?  What in the hell is the red/green game?  I am confused.



- Adam"

wow... its been like 10 years... but let me see if i can shed some light.... lol... day one was beginning or contracts and who you really represented, as well as your dirt list... etc... then at night you had writing assignments (this was every night)... day 2 was partner day trust crap.hiking throught the woods.. and then epitaphs (or what people would say bout you if you were to die) and then laying in a coffin, day 3 was partnering up with the person you hated most, and seeing through other people's eyes how they saw you.... the night time was the raft and other excersises... day 4 was same partners and finding things for a party... and then the party which was a charactor that was suppose to be the most like our actions.... which is where whinnie the pooh, and leah, and skywalker and everything comes from... for me it was oz... and when you hit your charactor, perfectly, then they would lift you through the room as they did after contracts.  Day 5 was graduating the summit, where you were given your contract, and then the key to your life... etc....
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« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2005, 01:20:00 AM »
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On 2005-10-26 20:06:00, absolutebest wrote:


"So, let me get this straight... day one and two are like normal raps, day three is the raft exercise and the funeral/death/obituary day, day four is the costume party and day five is neighborhoods/contracts?  I can't get these days straight.  When do you go into Bonners and talk to people, the urban challenge I think its called (or do you)?  How does the Summit kick off?  How do they wrap it up?  What in the hell does "The Rose", roses or "Fame" (the song that everyone dances to) have to do with anything?  What in the hell is the red/green game?  I am confused.





- Adam"


wow... its been like 10 years... but let me see if i can shed some light.... lol... day one was beginning or contracts and who you really represented, as well as your dirt list... etc... then at night you had writing assignments (this was every night)... day 2 was partner day trust crap.hiking throught the woods.. and then epitaphs (or what people would say bout you if you were to die) and then laying in a coffin, day 3 was partnering up with the person you hated most, and seeing through other people's eyes how they saw you.... the night time was the raft and other excersises... day 4 was same partners and finding things for a party... and then the party which was a charactor that was suppose to be the most like our actions.... which is where whinnie the pooh, and leah, and skywalker and everything comes from... for me it was oz... and when you hit your charactor, perfectly, then they would lift you through the room as they did after contracts.  Day 5 was graduating the summit, where you were given your contract, and then the key to your life... etc.... "


oh... and i wrote this... joe keuter pg-56 rma, 9june 96 graduation cedu.
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« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2005, 02:08:00 AM »
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On 2005-11-12 22:20:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-10-26 20:06:00, absolutebest wrote:



"So, let me get this straight... day one and two are like normal raps, day three is the raft exercise and the funeral/death/obituary day, day four is the costume party and day five is neighborhoods/contracts?  I can't get these days straight.  When do you go into Bonners and talk to people, the urban challenge I think its called (or do you)?  How does the Summit kick off?  How do they wrap it up?  What in the hell does "The Rose", roses or "Fame" (the song that everyone dances to) have to do with anything?  What in the hell is the red/green game?  I am confused.







- Adam"




wow... its been like 10 years... but let me see if i can shed some light.... lol... day one was beginning or contracts and who you really represented, as well as your dirt list... etc... then at night you had writing assignments (this was every night)... day 2 was partner day trust crap.hiking throught the woods.. and then epitaphs (or what people would say bout you if you were to die) and then laying in a coffin, day 3 was partnering up with the person you hated most, and seeing through other people's eyes how they saw you.... the night time was the raft and other excersises... day 4 was same partners and finding things for a party... and then the party which was a charactor that was suppose to be the most like our actions.... which is where whinnie the pooh, and leah, and skywalker and everything comes from... for me it was oz... and when you hit your charactor, perfectly, then they would lift you through the room as they did after contracts.  Day 5 was graduating the summit, where you were given your contract, and then the key to your life... etc.... "




oh... and i wrote this... joe keuter pg-56 rma, 9june 96 graduation cedu."


Thanks, Joe.  It's Adam Best.  I don't know if you remember me or not.  We got along well at times and butted heads at times also.  Hope all is well with you.
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