Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Mission Mountain School
yet another group to join
Anonymous:
You're right about that ... tough love sells. Parents are quick to want to put their kids through "tough love" when they have problems. What about "tough lovin'" the parents for a change. How about they get some tough love for themselves to see where they went wrong and why their kid is acting out, or whatever else may be going wrong?
Something we need to remember and that we need to be sure gets addressed. Parents have the given right to do whatever they want to their children when it comes to this. Yet they don't have the right to beat their child, to abuse their child sexually or physically - but they do have the right to hire a third-person to do it for them. So off they send them, kicking and screaming most of the time as they're abducted in the middle of the night from their beds, to a place where their rights are completely stripped from them. Compeletely! They have no right to anything, it's clear.
So how do they get away with doing this? It's their right. Again, they don't personally have the right to abuse their child, but they do have the right to hire someone else to do it. For think about it. Hiring someone to kidnap your child, especially in the middle of the night, is traumatic to say the least. This is something that could stay with the child their entire life, causing serious trust issues, and so on.
I think I'll start a new topic about this, it's important.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-24 11:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
So how do they get away with doing this? It's their right. Again, they don't personally have the right to abuse their child, but they do have the right to hire someone else to do it. For think about it. Hiring someone to kidnap your child, especially in the middle of the night, is traumatic to say the least. This is something that could stay with the child their entire life, causing serious trust issues, and so on.
I think I'll start a new topic about this, it's important.
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I don't believe that they DO have the legal right to outsource any sort of treatment that's illegal to do themselves. I think it's more a matter of credibility problems and ignorance on the part of the kids.
First, the kids don't know it's false imprisonment to lock them in w/o due process or that constant nagging, badgering, invasion of privacy and all the rest constitute harassment and assault. They don't know, cause they haven't been hanging out w/ lawyers or, likely, even reading newspapers, the right words to use to describe what happened to them.
Even when they do know the right language to use, people assume they must be REALLY bad kids to have caused their parents to take such drastic measures. Frankly, to this day, most people just don't believe us/them. It's simply easier and more comfortable to write it off as adolescant over-dramatization.
Funny story about that. When I was getting to know my husband, told him a bit about my weird childhood and family and such. I told him how my mom was convinced that I was a junkie and having been confined to this really warped program for years and all that. He was very supportive; an unusually good listener by any standard, but especially for an 18yo boy. But really, he took it all w/ a grain of salt. You know, teenaged girls and their mothers, they tend to exagerate, right?
So I gues within our first year together, my oldest brother comes for a visit. We're having the usual sort of catching up w/ family news kind of conversation, as he'd just come from Thanksgiving accross the state.
"How is everyone?"
"Well, Lo is doing such and such, I'm here, Jim's getting married again, Tom's still a postman, Kathi's doing home health... oh, and you're still a junkie, of course. . ."
I think he started to get an inkling of how it is right about then. And, mind you, he was then and remains my lover, partner and closest confidant. He was extremely biased, but STILL it's just hard for people to accept that parents can be this cruel, never mind that there's a secret underground network of businesses set up to serve them.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. We'll get there, though.
Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones
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Antigen:
Anon, who posted...
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-24 00:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
Let's face it. In order for this to be exposed we need help. We should welcome those who have a passion for helping rather than pick them apart, piece by piece. They are getting involved because they see the injustice of what is going on. And we need to be understanding that people getting on board to help are not going to know the full history of this industry. They were not in a program, they did not attend Straight in the 70's. But that doesn't mean they are not going to be effective. Let's give them a chance
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Yes, indeed, I absolutely agree that it's a good, good thing to have some well credentialed, well respected people w/ good contacts focusing attention on this issue. However, there's a whole, broad and fertile country between unquestioning support and picking them to bits.
I assume their intentions are entirely good, but I also assume they have as many, as large and as opaque blind spots as any other group of human beings.
Namely, how in the WORLD can anyone affiliated with FLORIDA CFS, SFU, and mental health study, law and policy organizations claim ignorance of Straight, Inc, LIFE, Growing Together and SAFE, Orlando. It's not asif this were some arcane story that lived and died a generation ago. As recently as 15 years ago, GT was making headlines and generating litigation. And SAFE was all over the Orlando newspapers and tv news just a couple of years ago.
Sorry, I don't buy that. It just doesn't add up. So then... why are they pretending not to know about this? Why do they not want to discuss it?
Well, I can't force it out of them. But the silence is deafening.
Next question (not picking or poking, just trying to find out what's going on here) Can anyone please explain to me to which community based programs the ASTART team wants to funnel federal funding? All I can find online is that they say they have science to back the claim that these vaguely referenced programs are safer and more effective than the Synanon based TOUGHLOVE troubled parent industry. Frankly, that's not saying much. Almost anything would be.
Finally, and I think this is the biggest, most dearly defended blind spot among educators and psyche professionals and clinical staff. Sanho Tree once quipped that screening pre-school kids for anti-social behavior is about as useful as screening the Christian Coalition for sanctimonious behavior. The same can be said for highschool kids. Do the psyche professionals have an understanding, or at least an open mind to the idea, that most people really don't need any formal intervention at all?
That's not as mean spirited as some people might take it. The physical medical profession has slowly but surely gotten it's ears pinned back on that point over recent years. When I started having babies over 20 years ago, I was scolded by very good and compassionate pediatricians for things like refusal to treat low grade fever w/ aspirin, then for using aspirin instead of ibuprophen, then acetaminiphin... then the notice appeared in their waiting room informing us that it really is best to leave a low grade fever alone and only treat fevers over 101 degrees. Yeah, no shit! How about an apology for the dressing down? Silence. But ok, they've seen the error of their ways. I value action over contrition.
I'm not asking any of these questions rhetorically. I'm asking w/ the high hope of getting decent answers and even a little hope of getting unexpectedly brilliant and reassuring answers.
Will someone please try and get statements out of the team that address these concerns? Cause, so far, I've gotten exactly the same response as when I asked Sue Scheff which programs she refers to and how, exactly, she goes about ensuring their safety and efficacy. Well, no, to be fair, I'm only getting the silent treatment, not an all out attack w/ lawyers and everything. That's encouraging. But still, I think these are valid concerns and, if they want my support, I'd like to have some kind of solid response, please.
It (the Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-23 22:32:00, katfish wrote:
"Antigen, could you give me a summary of what Karen's testimony say if you have a moment, as I can only suppose you have read the testimony and I'm swamped with work at the moment so I will not get a chance to look it over until later on this week.
LGA?
thanks- kat[ This Message was edited by: katfish on 2005-10-23 22:32 ]"
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Kat, just read that essay. It's not that long. And it'll explain some of the more important aspects of LGA (Large Group Awareness training)
screening pre-school kids for anti-social behavior is about as useful as screening the Christian Coalition for sanctimonious behavior.
Sanho Tree
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Antigen:
Thanks, Barb. You're often a lot more level headed than I am. It's nice to get a little affirmation that I'm not entirely off the wall here.
Give to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself - that is my doctrine.
--Thomas Paine
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