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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2005, 07:42:00 PM »
This is fantastic news!!! I want these WWASPS exposed. I want plenty of notice the next time something major like this happens so I can be a part of it!

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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2005, 01:06:00 AM »
I was in Washington at the Press Briefing.

I was impressed with the concern and dedication of the Bazelon staff as well as the Astart professionals.  Hope is in the air!

When I spoke ,I spoke not only for my child, for myself,but for all of the other children and parents who have been harmed by this sick industry.  

I shared with the people I met the websites and the efforts of so many dedicated advocates for children and human rights.

When they have Congressional hearings on this effort, each and everyone of you all must come and be there. It was an exciting, successful afternoon.  I have faith there will be more to come.

If Miller's bill can get the GOA to investigate.They will learn some intersting fACTS.

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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2005, 03:14:00 AM »
Hey Cristine... (It's Charles)... I just wanted to thank you for what you did tuesday, and actually for the great conversation throughout the trip... I don't know your email address or can't find it at this time, but it would be nice if you could email me (admin@tbfight.com)... I was so impressed with you two parents and your speech at the conference...  I feel very lucky to have been a part of it, and you are one of the main reasons... Thanks so much again
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2005, 11:17:00 AM »
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I was in Washington at the Press Briefing.



I was impressed with the concern and dedication of the Bazelon staff as well as the Astart professionals.  Hope is in the air!



When I spoke ,I spoke not only for my child, for myself,but for all of the other children and parents who have been harmed by this sick industry.  



I shared with the people I met the websites and the efforts of so many dedicated advocates for children and human rights.



When they have Congressional hearings on this effort, each and everyone of you all must come and be there. It was an exciting, successful afternoon.  I have faith there will be more to come.



If Miller's bill can get the GOA to investigate.They will learn some intersting fACTS.



Cristine







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You aren't (or never were) a PURE parent volunteer right?
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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2005, 11:40:00 AM »
Why do YOU ask?   That's old news.
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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2005, 11:40:00 AM »
?These people who want to stop all the progress because they have all the answers are wackos. They are just out of control,? Kay said.

Wackos?  

Progress?  

These educated, professional men and women are out of control?! - That's just to much - out of Your control maybe  

" Nobody wants children abused, but opponents of the schools have not carefully thought out the impact of mandatory licensing and regulation of the facilities, Kay said."

Oh relax Kenny - its been thought over well enough.
If you think something important has been missed you should speak with the people working on the legislation - rather than calling them clowns and wackos!  

?Where are they going to get this money and what is their plan?? asked Kay.

I have an idea - How about requiring 10% of all program owners and officer's income to go a fund to pay for the industry's oversight? If you really want to Help children, you shouldn't mind the sacrifice or the oversight. If your really about Huge profits, and warehousing teens in stark, negligent,and brutal conditions - it might be problematic enough to get you out of the business.

?What these clowns want to do is shut all these down as an option and in the meantime we don't have the proper options for everybody and they're not willing to listen.?

Creating proper options is largely what all this is about Kenny - did that get past you?
Really man - whose the Clown?
Nobodies laughing at Them!

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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2005, 11:46:00 AM »
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Why do YOU ask?   That's old news. "


Ya think?

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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2005, 12:38:00 PM »
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I have emailed atleast 5 different media organizations today in regard to the movie Self-Medicated, and the young man Monty Lapica who directed and wrote the movie. I'm hoping that he'll be able to shed some light on all this. The movie has it's premiere at the Hollywood Film Festival this Friday 10/21 at 4:00pm. It's been getting great reviews.


Ok, I'm not real familiar w/ the artsy film festival circut. How does a movie like this make it from there to the mainstream? What can we regular peasants do to help? I do have a couple of good old friends who are into that stuff. I'll be hitting them up about this and a couple of other things. Mean time, could you pose those questions to Marty and see if we can get a better understanding of how this works?

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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2005, 01:15:00 PM »
Monty had to raise money ($1 million) independently, which is no easy task.  

Whatever happened to Coldwater, The Movie?
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2005, 01:17:00 PM »
Distributors who go to the screenings buy the movie, and distribute it to INDEPENDENT movie venues.  As I understand it, Self Medicated is expected to be available in DVD format in a couple of months.  It's also possible it could be bought by a television network such as Lifetime or CBS, Disney, etc. which would bring it into the homes of millions of viewers!
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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2005, 01:24:00 PM »
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You aren't (or never were) a PURE parent volunteer right?


You first. Are you now or have you ever been affiliated w/ the Communist party?

Please, let's not go there. Every last parent who has firsthand experience w/ this industry got it by being reeled in by a slick edcon or other industry marketer. Some of those who wind up looking over this site were, indeed, taken in by the very charismatic, ambitious and successfull, Sue Scheff. Get over it already!

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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2005, 01:39:00 PM »
Charles, where did you get that Ken Kay quote about BM schools?  The orginal source should be forwarded to the media reporting his new "clown" and "wacko" statements!
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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2005, 01:48:00 PM »
It was the June 17th, 2003 NY Times article that quoted it (and where I first read it)... but they got it from a 1999 Rocky Mountain News article...

Which is absolutely amazing considering his son was currently running Tranquility Bay... Here's the full quote from the article
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In a 1999 interview with The Rocky Mountain News, however, Mr. Kay, who at that time had left the Wwasps organization, criticized its programs and staff.

The staff was "a bunch of untrained people," he said, according to the newspaper. "They don't have credentials of any kind."

"We could be leading these kids to long-term problems that we don't have a clue about because we're not going about it in the proper way," he said. "How in the hell can you call yourself a behavior-modification program ? and that's one of the ways it's marketed ? when nobody has the experience to determine: Is this good, is this bad?"  Link to full article : http://nospank.net/n-k52.htm
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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2005, 01:51:00 PM »
I would like to send that on to the Salt Lake Tribune, and maybe they could add that tidbit... but currently their website is down and I have a meeting to get to... so I'll send it off later on today...
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« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2005, 04:56:00 PM »
Sounds to me like another misquote...Ken said what???

Anyone that reads newspapers and magazines or watches news reports can see that it's all about selling stories, not about the truth.  Too bad.  Many reporters could make a huge impact in more positive ways than writing stories that could eventually kill teens beceause the parents believed the crap the reporters wrote and didn't get effective help.

My opinion of the ?These people who want to stop all the progress because they have all the answers are wackos. They are just out of control,? Kay said."... is:  He wasn't saying that all the doctors, etc, were wackos. I read it as he was saying the ones that don't know the truth are just blindly believing reports like ISAC, or other slam sights (like this one) and not talking with even a few of the hundreds of families that had positive results. All they want to do is save their drug prescribing practices...

 If they put out a message to these families, they would be happy to talk and Not the ones handpicked by Ken Kay or other program executives.
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