Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
NOTICE TO POTENTIAL PARENTS
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-06 17:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
Many of us are here to vent about our bad experiences.
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I have written on many occasions I support this. But there are two types on here. Those looking for a theraputic vent (go for it) and those looking to influence families decisions about their children. To the extent the latter exists, and to the extent you then do not tolerate positive experiences about Hyde, you become the oppressor.
--- Quote --- If Hydefan "got it" he would have some empathy for the people on this board who are hurt and damaged by what happened to them at Hyde.
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Many of my posts are empathetic, but y'all make it kinda hard!
--- Quote --- He is so determined to invalidate what others are saying here, that he spends his entire time disecting every post to find words he can then twist around.
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You can call it "dissecting", but when people make up lies to influence family decisions about a place I care a lot about, I think I have reasonably standing to weigh in.
The truth is, there are a bunch of people here who make unsupported claims intending not to vent, but to influence family decisions.
The most recent one was all of the people yelling and screaming how Hyde students have free speach rights that are being illegally supressed.
That is absurd.
Conceptually, if you don't think character education of children is the responsibility of parents, schools and communities, then yes, we will just have to differ there.
Not being able to even see that there might be a tiny logical problem with suggesting 12 or 14 or 16 year old should be able to say whatever they want to say (except, as I have pointed out in the area of abuse), seems just a tad over-reaching to me.
And thus indicative of the over-zealous nature of many of these posts.
Which, if they were just to vent, I would have no problem with....
But that isn't Antigen's mission. Antigen being the one who posts all about Hyde but who never went there and only knows what she reads from unhappy former students and some families.
Anyway, if you want a site that only allows negative comments, set up a yahoo group or have Antigen boot me. That's not really my concern.
But as long as we all believe in free speech rights of adults, I will do my best to stick to the truth and ask others to be accountable for the same.
So now let's test your Hyde knowledge. What Hyde precept did I just describe?
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-07 06:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
I have written on many occasions I support this. But there are two types on here. Those looking for a theraputic vent (go for it) and those looking to influence families decisions about their children. To the extent the latter exists, and to the extent you then do not tolerate positive experiences about Hyde, you become the oppressor.
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All of your posts are still there. Go check. Nobody's disallowing any viewpoints here.
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Many of my posts are empathetic, but y'all make it kinda hard!
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No, darlin, it's empathic. "Empathetic" is a non-word made up by some uneducated Synanon follower some decades ago. Evidently, it stuck pretty good. They used the same non-word daily in The Seed and Straight.
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You can call it "dissecting", but when people make up lies to influence family decisions about a place I care a lot about, I think I have reasonably standing to weigh in.
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Well, there certainly is some dissagreement between you and just about everyone else who's posting here. Most of these people have told us some bit of background about themselves. That helps the reader to better understand the context in which the writer is writing. How about you? What's your interest in Hyde? Were you a student? A parent? Staff? All of the above? Still employed there?
--- Quote ---The truth is, there are a bunch of people here who make unsupported claims intending not to vent, but to influence family decisions.
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What's your intent?
--- Quote ---The most recent one was all of the people yelling and screaming how Hyde students have free speach rights that are being illegally supressed.
That is absurd.
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Not according to the courts, it's not.
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Conceptually, if you don't think character education of children is the responsibility of parents, schools and communities, then yes, we will just have to differ there.
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What? Where'd that come from? Part of good character is having enough backbone to speak for yourself. Are you suggesting that you're teaching these kids character by cowing them into submission? I would suggest that that's a rather warped view of character. What is your definition of character, Hyde Fan?
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Not being able to even see that there might be a tiny logical problem with suggesting 12 or 14 or 16 year old should be able to say whatever they want to say (except, as I have pointed out in the area of abuse), seems just a tad over-reaching to me. And thus indicative of the over-zealous nature of many of these posts.
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Well, then that opinion puts you at odds with the rest of America. Freedom of expression is a cherished prime tenet of our way of life. Yes, we're all "over zealous", just like those long haired hippy freaks who first revoted against the British Empire.
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Which, if they were just to vent, I would have no problem with....
But that isn't Antigen's mission. Antigen being the one who posts all about Hyde but who never went there and only knows what she reads from unhappy former students and some families.
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Yeah, typical. "You can say anything you want, so long as it's not important." Actually, I learn quite a bit from the pro-program posters too. For example, you're squirming defense of stiffling dissent and independent opinion. Very informative! Thanks for your contribution.
--- Quote ---Anyway, if you want a site that only allows negative comments, set up a yahoo group or have Antigen boot me. That's not really my concern.
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Ain't gonna happen. Nobody here wants a one sided, distorted discussion.
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But as long as we all believe in free speech rights of adults, I will do my best to stick to the truth and ask others to be accountable for the same.
So now let's test your Hyde knowledge. What Hyde precept did I just describe?
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I don't know what the Hyde lingo for that concept may be. Maybe someone will fill us in. But you seem to be describing this conversation very well.
Carry on, carry on! :wave:
Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
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Anonymous:
+I have posted my history fairly extensively. Look it up. I am just a former student who interned there later....and that's a lot more info than the non-info you repeated fail to provide! Why are you a drug war POW?
++Um, empathetic actually is a word that you can find in virtually any dictionary, pre-dates synanon or whatever the program is called, and most psychologists would say that empathy is the cornerstone of a relationship. I was using it in response to one of the dissenters using it. Do you have a real point there, because you kind of lost me!
++As for as I can tell, you are totally wrong about the law and free speech at private schools in Maine. See my posts above that state very clearly why they don't and let me know if you come up with a reference other than your unsupported assertion to the contrary.
(The other comments would take all day. These were the low hanging fruit.)
Have a good one.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-07 13:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
(The other comments would take all day. These were the low hanging fruit.)
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Just one. What is your intent here, if not to influence the decisions of prospective marks?
A Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother.
--Anonymous
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-07 13:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"+I have posted my history fairly extensively. Look it up. I am just a former student who interned there later....and that's a lot more info than the non-info you repeated fail to provide! Why are you a drug war POW?
++Um, empathetic actually is a word that you can find in virtually any dictionary, pre-dates synanon or whatever the program is called, and most psychologists would say that empathy is the cornerstone of a relationship. I was using it in response to one of the dissenters using it. Do you have a real point there, because you kind of lost me!
++As for as I can tell, you are totally wrong about the law and free speech at private schools in Maine. See my posts above that state very clearly why they don't and let me know if you come up with a reference other than your unsupported assertion to the contrary.
(The other comments would take all day. These were the low hanging fruit.)
Have a good one.
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So you have no affiliation to Hyde anymore? Are you practicing TRUTH??? Maybe leaving out a little bit of the facts on yourself?
As far as you being stuck on kids not being able to have the same rights as adults, I really don't know because I am not going to spend two hours looking up the law. What I don't understand about you is that Hyde teaches something you are very familiar with, which is "truth over harmony." We are taught at Hyde to speak up and speak the truth. What you are saying is that kids don't have the right to speak about certain things. Isn't this a little hypocritical? I am sure you will come up with some excuse for talking out of both sides of your mouth. Hyde can't have it both ways, which is what you are advocating!
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