Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
Rape at Hyde
HydeFan:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-03 06:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"but Hyde needs to change their policies so our kids will be safe.
When you ignore a violation of this magnitude, what are you telling the victim?
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On your first point, do you have specific suggestions? Rapes occur, on occasion, in even the most prestigeous of New England prep schools. Anyway, reasonable safety precautions should be taken in all schools, but I am not sure which policies you are referring to.
On the second point, again, we are dealing with unsubstantiated allegations of the vaguest type here, but assuming there was no legal duty to report, who says this was ignored?
Ok, this is based solely on Law and Order which may not be the most authoritative basis, but the victim gets to decide how much they want to disclose and how to handle their trauma, and if they want to report it, the D.A. can decide if there is enough evidence to prosecute.
Sounds like someone spoke up in a school meeting, so if it was open there, and there was no other legal duty to report, it was at least out in the open, and whose to say how the alleged victim requested it be handled?
Rape is horrible. Many rape victims (ok, sorry still based on law and order), seem to never be able to talk about this.
Regardless of anything else, the interests of the victim would have to come first, not someone's perceived notion that not talking about this in front of the whole school somehow violates the school's policy of openness. (Let alone 30 years later, though again, no one has answered my request for details.)
I would also at this point cross-reference some of the posts here siting as abuse being forced to listen to inappropriate subject matter being brought up in front of kids....well, I can't think of many things more inappropriate and it seems to me that it may have been quite good judgement to deal with this privately.[ This Message was edited by: HydeFan on 2005-10-03 07:05 ]
Anonymous:
HydeFan, I appreciate you taking the time to look up these statues, but I don't think you understand what I am saying.
HYDE AS A SCHOOL had an obligation to report this. You could be right that the parents do not have to report it, but it is mandatory for Hyde to report crimes they are aware of and they were absolutely aware of this. I don't remember all the details, but I believe some of the kids involved in this were punished in some way or possibly asked to leave the school.
HydeFan:
I don't think you understand what I am saying!
If you are going to claim something is a legal duty, then site your source, because I think you are wrong. I don't know for sure, and am open to being wrong, but I have now done a number of searches quickly got vague information from an attorney (free advice, only worth what I paid for it). :smile:
As a general rule, there is no legal duty for any person, corporation or entity to report crimes UNLESS there is a specific law to the contrary.
Given that, I would think such a law would be easy to find. I searched and found nothing. Please let me know what you find. (Then we can both apply for our honorary J.D.s and be done with it.)
POST EDIT: Forgot to state the obvious. Even assuming you are correct about the duty to report (which may be but I think not), how can anyone on this board to presume to have knowledge about what was or wasn't reported?!
This is crazy and I will likely stop posting here. My intent on this board was not to become Hyde's defender, but simply to be a voice that for me and MOST that I knew at Hyde over the years, their experience was among the most powerfully positive things to have ever happened in their (and their families) lives.
[ This Message was edited by: HydeFan on 2005-10-03 07:28 ]
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-03 07:18:00, HydeFan wrote:
"I don't think you understand what I am saying!
If you are going to claim something is a legal duty, then site your source, because I think you are wrong. I don't know for sure, and am open to being wrong, but I have now done a number of searches quickly got vague information from an attorney (free advice, only worth what I paid for it). :smile:
As a general rule, there is no legal duty for any person, corporation or entity to report crimes UNLESS there is a specific law to the contrary.
Given that, I would think such a law would be easy to find. I searched and found nothing. Please let me know what you find. (Then we can both apply for our honorary J.D.s and be done with it.)
POST EDIT: Forgot to state the obvious. Even assuming you are correct about the duty to report (which may be but I think not), how can anyone on this board to presume to have knowledge about what was or wasn't reported?!
This is crazy and I will likely stop posting here. My intent on this board was not to become Hyde's defender, but simply to be a voice that for me and MOST that I knew at Hyde over the years, their experience was among the most powerfully positive things to have ever happened in their (and their families) lives.
[ This Message was edited by: HydeFan on 2005-10-03 07:28 ]"
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HydeFan I will try to find what you are asking for. I believe the Dept of Children and Family Services has it on their website. As far as how I know it was not reported, the kid who was raped told us in group how it was handled.
I would hate to see you leave this board because I think you have a lot to contribute. Although it might appear that I am trashing Hyde, this is not my intent. It is good for all the facts to be out there both positive and negative
HydeFan:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-03 07:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is good for all the facts to be out there both positive and negative"
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Agreed! And I will definitely check in from time to time, but as I am but one, my opinions can be just as skewed as anyone else's, so hopefully more will join.
Looking forward to info on the obligation to disclose. I know it makes conceptual sense that it exist, but I think among the reason it may not is because (a) economic analysis says this can be highly inefficient (says one article I scanned this morning), (b) corporations (which control the government) have had a vested interest in protecting their reputations, and don't want to have to publicly report things that happen on their premises that could happen anywhere else.
That argument falls short, for me, when it comes to protecting the young, elderly and infirm (who are less able to protect themselves) but as I suggested, we don't know a lot of things here, including what the victim wanted and whether it was actually reported.
If you can find something, when did this allegedly happen? If there is a law, it should be easy to also then figure out if this applied at that time. I think most child protection stuff is much more recent (i.e., 80s and 90s). Assuming you are talking about something from the 70s, I am guessing that any disclose law you find was not in effect at that time.
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