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follow-up questions on Hyde School
Anonymous:
Yes - the seminars--- where is the accrediting board? Reading other parents' experiences of the FLC's, wilderness retreats and seminars brings it all back to me. These were awful times and they were awful not because I did not want to 'face my family issues'. They were awful because they were wrong.
Thankfully I did not bring my other children, as we were often told to.
I do not know how to deal with the memories of what I've heard in the seminars, or my own unresolved participation. So many times people would be crying - it was horrific what was unleashed. We all have issues in our lives, some alot more serious than others. I am forever dismayed that my child witnessed and heard what he did without the benefit of having the painful memories dredged up by people treated in the right way. Reading other parents' posts makes me realize how angry I am, and how much more I need to understand how to heal myself from those times. How can the school stay accredited?
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-09 19:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yes - the seminars--- where is the accrediting board? Reading other parents' experiences of the FLC's, wilderness retreats and seminars brings it all back to me. These were awful times and they were awful not because I did not want to 'face my family issues'. They were awful because they were wrong.
Thankfully I did not bring my other children, as we were often told to.
I do not know how to deal with the memories of what I've heard in the seminars, or my own unresolved participation. So many times people would be crying - it was horrific what was unleashed. We all have issues in our lives, some alot more serious than others. I am forever dismayed that my child witnessed and heard what he did without the benefit of having the painful memories dredged up by people treated in the right way. Reading other parents' posts makes me realize how angry I am, and how much more I need to understand how to heal myself from those times. How can the school stay accredited?"
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There was a parent in our "region" who went to an FLC and came back needing to go to the doctor who then put him on strong meds! The doctor told him that because of the trauma he was forced to dig up at the school, he was in dire need of a psychologist at once! I am not exaggerating about this one bit! I was told first hand.
This father ended up having to go on anti-anxiety drugs. It was clear that Hyde had pushed him too far to an area of his life that Hyde was not prepared or capable of dealing with and neither was the husband.
I was not in the seminar where this happened, but the wife brought it up to me upon the husbands return. Shortly after, this family dropped out.
In my own seminars I watched adults and kids being pushed over the edge. Hyde considers this a break through! I don't consider this a breakthrough, I consider it a form of abuse and Cult like activities that need to stop! The frightening thing is that Hyde is convincing local school systems to allow them to run a Charter School in their districts!
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---There was a parent in our "region" who went to an FLC and came back needing to go to the doctor who then put him on strong meds! The doctor told him that because of the trauma he was forced to dig up at the school, he was in dire need of a psychologist at once! I am not exaggerating about this one bit! I was told first hand.
This father ended up having to go on anti-anxiety drugs. It was clear that Hyde had pushed him too far to an area of his life that Hyde was not prepared or capable of dealing with and neither was the husband.
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Funny thing, perspective. I actually have no problem with this. People only dig up what they want to dig up, and if it was that traumatic (what he dug up) that he had to go on meds, the real question is, where is he today? That someone has to go on meds as a result of a realization about their past is fairly routine stuff and not in and of itself, evidence of abuse. And when that level of stuff comes up, it doesn't get resolved over night. Sounds like it was profoundly deep, he sought professional help, and I would hope for him that his life took a dramatic turn at that point which he doesn't regret.
Point being, we don't know what happened and the conclusion that Hyde "pushed him too far" is fairly self-serving. You might also say, Hyde opened a door and he stepped through it....but in my experience, no one goes anywhere that deep until they are ready.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-10 23:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
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--- Quote ---There was a parent in our "region" who went to an FLC and came back needing to go to the doctor who then put him on strong meds! The doctor told him that because of the trauma he was forced to dig up at the school, he was in dire need of a psychologist at once! I am not exaggerating about this one bit! I was told first hand.
This father ended up having to go on anti-anxiety drugs. It was clear that Hyde had pushed him too far to an area of his life that Hyde was not prepared or capable of dealing with and neither was the husband.
--- End quote ---
Funny thing, perspective. I actually have no problem with this. People only dig up what they want to dig up, and if it was that traumatic (what he dug up) that he had to go on meds, the real question is, where is he today? That someone has to go on meds as a result of a realization about their past is fairly routine stuff and not in and of itself, evidence of abuse. And when that level of stuff comes up, it doesn't get resolved over night. Sounds like it was profoundly deep, he sought professional help, and I would hope for him that his life took a dramatic turn at that point which he doesn't regret.
Point being, we don't know what happened and the conclusion that Hyde "pushed him too far" is fairly self-serving. You might also say, Hyde opened a door and he stepped through it....but in my experience, no one goes anywhere that deep until they are ready."
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Your comment is the prototypical "What Hyde made you do was good for you, so don't complain" response. This is what is driving so many people from Hyde, and for good reason.
The fact -- and I assure you it's a fact -- is that many people have been deeply traumatized by Hyde staff's incredibly unskilled handling of complex emotional and intimate disclosures during FLCs. Hyde's model is so out of step with the rest of the world. Picture this composite scenario: an FLC in Bath where a child is exposed to discussion about how his father was once his mother and underwent a sex change operation. This discussion occurs in front of 15 or so other people. The kid freaks out, feels over-exposed, and deeply embarrassed; by the way, this is a student who got kicked out of his local school because of severe behavioral and mental health issues. Other parents and students squirm in their seats wondering whether they should be privy to this sort of detail. The kid's two parents are screaming hateful comments at each other. All this is being handled by a 23 year-old Hyde teacher who admits she barely made it through college but has done lots of hard work on herself. She has absolutely no training in mental health or group therapy. Some people walk out of that seminar shaking and crying.
No one in his or her right mind should find that scenario acceptable. It's called abusive and negligent. Period. Hyde should be put out of business. No parent should subject his or her child, or him or herself, to that craziness. If Joe Gauld, et al. find this defensible, they're living in a dream world.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-11 03:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-10 23:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
--- Quote ---There was a parent in our "region" who went to an FLC and came back needing to go to the doctor who then put him on strong meds! The doctor told him that because of the trauma he was forced to dig up at the school, he was in dire need of a psychologist at once! I am not exaggerating about this one bit! I was told first hand.
This father ended up having to go on anti-anxiety drugs. It was clear that Hyde had pushed him too far to an area of his life that Hyde was not prepared or capable of dealing with and neither was the husband.
--- End quote ---
Funny thing, perspective. I actually have no problem with this. People only dig up what they want to dig up, and if it was that traumatic (what he dug up) that he had to go on meds, the real question is, where is he today? That someone has to go on meds as a result of a realization about their past is fairly routine stuff and not in and of itself, evidence of abuse. And when that level of stuff comes up, it doesn't get resolved over night. Sounds like it was profoundly deep, he sought professional help, and I would hope for him that his life took a dramatic turn at that point which he doesn't regret.
Point being, we don't know what happened and the conclusion that Hyde "pushed him too far" is fairly self-serving. You might also say, Hyde opened a door and he stepped through it....but in my experience, no one goes anywhere that deep until they are ready."
--- End quote ---
Your comment is the prototypical "What Hyde made you do was good for you, so don't complain" response. This is what is driving so many people from Hyde, and for good reason.
The fact -- and I assure you it's a fact -- is that many people have been deeply traumatized by Hyde staff's incredibly unskilled handling of complex emotional and intimate disclosures during FLCs. Hyde's model is so out of step with the rest of the world. Picture this composite scenario: an FLC in Bath where a child is exposed to discussion about how his father was once his mother and underwent a sex change operation. This discussion occurs in front of 15 or so other people. The kid freaks out, feels over-exposed, and deeply embarrassed; by the way, this is a student who got kicked out of his local school because of severe behavioral and mental health issues. Other parents and students squirm in their seats wondering whether they should be privy to this sort of detail. The kid's two parents are screaming hateful comments at each other. All this is being handled by a 23 year-old Hyde teacher who admits she barely made it through college but has done lots of hard work on herself. She has absolutely no training in mental health or group therapy. Some people walk out of that seminar shaking and crying.
No one in his or her right mind should find that scenario acceptable. It's called abusive and negligent. Period. Hyde should be put out of business. No parent should subject his or her child, or him or herself, to that craziness. If Joe Gauld, et al. find this defensible, they're living in a dream world."
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Wow. Amazing story. That said, I have to put the bad on that one in the parents failure to handle the situation maturely and responsibly.
You can blame Hyde for pulling it out of him/her, but as I said before, IMHO no one says shit they aren't ready to, and that who knows what was going on for this parent. Maybe it was eating at their insides and they finally blurted it out. Who knows why they did it.
I also have no doubt the Hyde staff probably had little clue how to deal with that one, so if the person finally felt safe in that context because of Hyde's pushing/urging to open up, they bear some responsibility as well.
Fundamentally, however, I place primary responsibility on the parent for that one however. What were they thinking?
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