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« on: September 21, 2005, 02:48:00 PM »
So do we need MORE DOMESTIC LAW ENFORCEMENT?  Or do we need to dismantle FEMA so that emergency services can get into disaster areas and help people?

With MORE DOMESTIC LAW ENFORCEMENT MORE people would have died in New Orleans!

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Senator asks Pentagon to revisit ban on military´s domestic police powers
By Megan Scully, CongressDaily

In the wake of a massive military deployment to the Gulf Coast, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Warner has asked the Pentagon to review how the president may legally circumvent an 1878 law prohibiting the military from participating in domestic law enforcement activities.
In a letter sent Wednesday to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Warner said the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina was so vast that it requires the active-duty military to step in and work temporarily with local law enforcement to restore order to the region.

"In our federal system, we normally, and rightly, depend upon state and local authorities to maintain order and protect the public," Warner wrote. "However, in a situation of the magnitude of this hurricane, the destruction of power, communications, water and sewage, and related infrastructure was so great, and the sheer impassibility of large sections of the area so lengthy, that the maintenance of order was apparently, and understandably, beyond the capacities of those authorities in some instances."

Only the Defense Department has the personnel, equipment, training and logistical capacity to aid the National Guard and law enforcement in "an emergency of this scale," Warner added.

Under the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, the active-duty military may provide humanitarian assistance, but cannot maintain public order by conducting arrests, searches and seizures.

The law does not apply to the National Guard while under the control of governors. But keeping those forces under state control presents its own challenges, "depending as it does on multistate situations on comity and reciprocity among governors," Warner stated.

In the letter, Warner asked Rumsfeld not to confine his review to natural disasters, but rather to consider "large-scale public health emergencies, terrorist incidents, and any other situations which could result in serious breakdowns in public order."

In addition, he said, the Pentagon review should go beyond Posse Comitatus, and include insurrection statutes written in the 1860s and 1870s, as well as laws governing calling the National Guard to active duty, which places them under the Defense secretary´s control.

Meanwhile, Warner wants Congress to conduct its own review of the law. At a minimum, the chairman plans to recommend changing the "names and terminology of these statutes to reflect present-day realities."

"The president should not have to worry about misperceptions by the public based upon outdated wording that does not accurately describe what the armed forces may be doing in a particular emergency," according to the letter.

Armed Services ranking member Carl Levin, D-Mich., said Wednesday that if there have been limitations in arresting people in the region, the law might need to be reviewed as part of any larger committee inquiry into any impediments in deploying active-duty forces in the region.

Warner, other lawmakers and military officials discussed allowing active-duty military to join domestic agencies to combat terrorist threats after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, but ultimately did not do so. Rumsfeld has opposed previous proposals to curtail the law.

The American Civil Liberties Union and scholars from some conservative think tanks have argued that the law has already been weakened by government decisions to allow the military to patrol U.S. borders, search for drug suppliers, and, in one highly publicized case, use spy planes to try to track the Washington-area sniper in 2002.
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2005, 05:32:00 PM »
You bring up a good point.

The odd thing about repealing the law is
that it appears from watching TV that the
military has been very organized and has
done a great job after arriving in the
devastated areas.

If they are doing so good now, why change
the current law?

Odd, and unnecessary in my opinion.
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2005, 06:16:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-21 14:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You bring up a good point.



The odd thing about repealing the law is

that it appears from watching TV that the

military has been very organized and has

done a great job after arriving in the

devastated areas.



If they are doing so good now, why change

the current law?



Odd, and unnecessary in my opinion."


Except for that part when the national guardsmen were in their helicopter and asked those girls on the roof to flash their tits before they would rescue them.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2005, 08:19:00 PM »
I forgot about that incident ...
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2005, 08:31:00 PM »
Ah, no ...

Those guardsmen where just carrying
on the tradition and culture of
Bourbon Street.

Long live Mardi Gras !!!
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2005, 12:26:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-21 17:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ah, no ...



Those guardsmen where just carrying

on the tradition and culture of

Bourbon Street.



Long live Mardi Gras !!!

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That point was obvious.

The part about them flying away when the girls wouldn't show their tits... A little more harsh than not throwing someone a string of beads, you think?
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2005, 11:47:00 AM »
It's asif the whole nation is just starting to awaken to the fact that our government is like a drunken, abusive and totally incompetent parent. Ya'll, I think the moral of this story is this; whatever the politicritters may say or do, we need to fend for ourselves.

The law in its majestic equality, forbids all men to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread - the rich as well as the poor

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