FueLaw, Marc...
You are speaking with some 'true believers' here, and no evidence or testimony will likely cause them to reconsider their position, because it is based on faith not reason...
You will only be seen as 'the enemy' and your own sanity and motives will be questioned.
I don't think that many of those who are 'true believers' are interested in a conversation, unless you agree with them. They will not take kindly to dissent.
And I do not believe their motivations are wholly wrong. After all, many people here can testify to their own success in beating drugs, and the failures of others. And many people were idealistic about the Seed and this clearly carries thru. However, if you question them it is evident that you will be put in the postion of being the enemy.
Don't let it happen. Speak your truth dispassionately. I urge John, Robin and others to do the same. Open you hearts and eyes and listen and learn, we all have a lot to contribute.
The Seed and it's variants come from a long history of revival groups in America that where lead or started by charismatic people, and were based on faith, and sought to convert others, and did not tolerate dissent...it goes back at least to the 1920s. Isn't that intersting to you? Dont; you think our experience with the Seed has positive things to say about faith and idealism, and equally negative things to say about comformity and fascism.
Keepin' it real,
Walter