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Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2006-02-14 06:33:00, tlcrescue wrote:

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On 2006-02-13 11:50:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2006-02-13 11:45:00, tlcrescue wrote:



"sorry, but sometimes it is other cadets fault that people get smoked.  When my son was there, he had a bladder problem, requiring him to urinate frequently.  But, they don't allow very many bathroom breaks while in cadet status (dont know about higher levels). When he would ask to go, they would tell him he could go, but that when he returned from the bathroom, the rest of the cadets would get a 2 hour smoke session while he stood by and watched.  My son wasn't going to let that happen, so rather than go to the bathroom and allow the other cadets be punished for him going, he chose to urinate on himself, which, of course, led to him getting smoked instead.  Some people may not have chosen that route, they may have chosen to go to the bathroom (or whatever their current circumstance was)."



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How do you figure that would be the other cadets' fault?  That's Thayer's policy and the staff enforcing it.  No way in hell that the other cadets have ANY control over that."


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Yes, apparently that is Thayer's policy.  However, the cadet still DOES have a choice as I clearly pointed out above.  My son had a CHOICE to either go to the bathroom and allow the other cadet's to be smoked, or to urinate on himself and subject only himself to being smoked.  When other cadet's get smoked because of the behavior of one cadet, that is a choice, the cadet that incurred the behavior that resulted in the "smoking session" had a choice.  Now, that is not to say I agree with their smoking session policy, I personally think it is ridiculous, but regardless it is still a choice."

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its true...i was there and thats how it works.  when this girl first got there, she didnt want to do anything and and so she chose to sit around and watch us get smoked.  we were running laps around her and she didnt even care until another girl threatened her in the showers.  then she straightened up.

Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2006-02-14 06:33:00, tlcrescue My son had a CHOICE to either go to the bathroom and allow the other cadet's to be smoked, or to urinate on himself and subject only himself to being smoked.
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That's not a choice. At all.

Anonymous:
O.k. I think this is lame with you two arguing about this...How bout this, your both right.  
A cadet is put into a place by thier parents without a choice. (so that makes it the parents fault.) The smoke sessions are orginized by TLC. (so that makes it TLC's fault)The cadet could not control the situation, so thus the parents and TLC are to blame. We see your piont.
On the other hand when the cadet is placed in that situation they then have a limited number of options but then agian there are options still the same. so they make a CHOICE They can do what they are told and deal. Or they disobey and get everyone else smoked until they deside to participate.
So all in all it is everyone's fault.
The parents for sending them their in the first place. TLC's for making up the stupid rules. And then the Cadet's for not following them. No matter how unreasonable they may be.
And by the way I would rather pee on myself then get everyone else smoked and be hated by the intire bootcamp...being hated in that invirnment is not the wisest place to be.

cadet_cheung:
we only went to the bathroom like 6 times a day and drink like 4 shitload canteens of water, majority of the girls pee-d on themselves anyways and at the point we'd rather pee on ourselves then get everyone smoked, it was like they were all you got there. Oh yea those brown couches and stupid cushions with owls on them( if you still had them) were pee-d on by god knows how many people.

tlcrescue:

--- Quote ---On 2006-02-13 11:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-02-13 11:45:00, tlcrescue wrote:


"sorry, but sometimes it is other cadets fault that people get smoked.  When my son was there, he had a bladder problem, requiring him to urinate frequently.  But, they don't allow very many bathroom breaks while in cadet status (dont know about higher levels). When he would ask to go, they would tell him he could go, but that when he returned from the bathroom, the rest of the cadets would get a 2 hour smoke session while he stood by and watched.  My son wasn't going to let that happen, so rather than go to the bathroom and allow the other cadets be punished for him going, he chose to urinate on himself, which, of course, led to him getting smoked instead.  Some people may not have chosen that route, they may have chosen to go to the bathroom (or whatever their current circumstance was)."


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How do you figure that would be the other cadets' fault?  That's Thayer's policy and the staff enforcing it.  No way in hell that the other cadets have ANY control over that."

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yes, it is apparently their policy.  but as i clearly stated, the cadet (my son) had a "choice" he could go to the bathroom allowing the others to be smoked, or he could urinate on himself, resulting in himself being smoked.  That is a CHOICE he made.  So that others would not have been smoked, he chose to urinate on himself.  But, had he chose to go to the bathroom, the others would have been smoked, hence, they other cadets are being smoked because of the choice he made.  Believe me, I am in no way advocating what they did.  I do not agree with this place, and to the contrary pulled my son out after only 1 week when I realized what was going on there.  My only point is that everyone has a choice in situations.  Your choice or "action" has a reaction.

Another example is that one kid got caught stealing food while my son was there.  The result was that the whole group got smoked over it.  Had the boy chosen not to steal the food (and I am sure he was pretty hungry, or he wouldn't have stolen it), the whole group would not have been smoked.  See my point here?  I am not saying it is right, but I am saying that a smoking session can be the result of a cadet's choice they make.

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